MR imo is useless for engineers in PvP, from what I've heard from people that's been testing em, they spent more time jumping around trying to get perks to land.. and less time doing something usefull.
This is mainly due to the time our perks take to launch. All in all I'd go solitus for engy pvp any day, with a low hp setup. 11k hp is working great for me atm, but I would not min havin 2-3k more
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That's what I meant. MR is not what makes troxes good for endgame pvp. Not IMO at least. SB and HP sure. MR? Naaah. The example with the onehander is true, ofc, but that is more of a casual PvP setup. I am quite sure that a zastaba or energy carbine or even an ithaca does more consistent AS damage. And what casual PvPer perks 10 points into an otherwise useless perk line? I read about the combo MR + freak strength perk attacks to keep opponents stunned while the bots do their work. But has that ever been tried and confirmed to work well?
If so, I am convinced and vote for keeping MR in the list. Otherwise, dump it I'd say. And notice how I actually read what is in the main post this time. ^^
What you say about the onehander, is very much true. Zastaba or carbine is the way to go, or if you are one of em lucky bastards that have the old school caterwaul ^^
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Go Borealis Corona :P
MR should be listed as an advantage even if it's hard to use. Someone might find a smart way of using it at one stage.
My idea was to use the beautiful Fantaghiro which attacks at 1/1 and has a semidecent min dmg of 75. With proj aruls, +75 proj dmg towers and other random add dmg items it wouldn't be too bad, and MR could be used to land burst and full auto. With 30 bullets in the clip and good AR from MR, full auto might actually do very well, and the recharge wouldn't be too bad with good skills.
Dual kyr smg would probably only be outdamaged by pistols pvm.
I like my rather useful full DD pvm pistol setup too much to spend a month reperking and ipr'ing into this though, so I won't try it. At least not yet.'
Edit: Even if this worked perfectly, a nanomage with an AS gun would probably be more effective.
There are of course a large amount of unskilled bad ma's, especially low sl-level ones who only know pvm and are setup for pvm. However, at 220 most ma's who pvp are rather good. They're probably still beatable by a good engi, but if a very good 220 ma catches you by surprise, you're dead before you can fire cocoon.
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Luuv, it seems to me you are arguing for the sake of the argument. MR gives trox some advantage. Whether this is a big or small one remains to be seen when some trox engies start seriously PvPing. The text even says "maybe MR". The text puts both soli and atrox as good PvP options. So the guide actually expresses your opionion just as well as it expresses any other's. What else do you want?
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"Guides": 210 symbs before 170, 220 symbs before 180, NM Engi Twinking 205, 210, 215, 220.
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If it has no special use for engies, I'd rather not see it listed at all.
People should use the compilation to decide for a breed. Every breed has a few (more or less) useful Genome perk actions. Why list this one, if it has no big use for us? You do not mention most of the others either. I would not even want to see it listed if it were "certainly not" instead of "maybe".
Even the resident trox engie seems to be hard pressed to come up with an idea to make it useful. I am very sure that soltus is the far better breed for pvp than trox at this time. Listing it may make the people that come over from other professions think that they will pwn as trox because they can trhow their uber alpha into someone's face, which they can definately not. But I am resting my case.
You'll do however you please.
We don't want the "I want to press a few buttons and win pvp"-crowd as engineers anyway, so tricking them into making a trox engi would be evil but great. Most of them would probably reroll another prof when they hit 100ish and realized they needed a 30mill (or whatever it costs now) ear symbiant in order to cast and control the 200 slayer with only ci.
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Eye, it's the eye. ^^a 30mill (or whatever it costs now) ear symbiant in order to cast and control the 200 slayer with only ci.
OMG do you people know nothing? you should OPI EVERYTHINg regardless of proffession.
But thats just me and my wish for non opi genocide across the face of rubi ka.
pvp engie, go opi, even if its just for the opi secondary genome perk "blinded by delights" that i hae yet to not land against an opponent in pvp
Our crapy blind auras wont land on most people, but one on one pvp this one does every time for me. (ts aso got a slight nano skill debuff that can totaly ruin a docs hotbar setup)
and on an ending note solitus is the worst breed choice you could make for any prof ever, all soli's should be drowned at birth with thier "middle of the road" skills.
You have to specialise more and suit your toon to your own style of play, not take the esy way out with a breed thats "a bit good at everything" but GREAT at nothing.
ok I'll reroll right now!
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good, thats one who has seen the light, anymore for anymore? trade in your non opi engies and join the rise of a nation under one flag......
Hehe, of course it's the eye.
All my new chars are opi. If there had been a 220 trox when I made my engi, he would have been opi too.
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How about ma setup for stun, then hotswap to zastaba/carbine for AS + pets?
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orsouwesh!How about you try that. And how about you make 4, one of each breed, so you can tell us what works best.
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As a nm engie the main use of my nanopool I have used was to double and triple bot bosses. Buffing up the second bot after the first dies is a tad draining. Making a third bot after all that is realy draining.
Mechanuf is a 220 soli engi ... if I could change breed on him, he would be Opi in a second. I got 270 symb in on all places where it makes sense (r-arm/w-wrist are imps, thigh/r-hand is only available as 250). I didt need expensive/hard to get items like Burden, Flycathers specs and stuff like that, to get them on either. Most expensive item was Merlin sleeves and 2 high level sense rings.
All our symbs are int/psy + one other ability. Int / psy are almost identical on opi as soli. On all the important symbs, the other ability is sense or agility ... prime skills of opi. Eye, ear, brain, left arm, thigh, waist, feet are all int/psy + either agility or sense.
When I put on 270 symbs, int and psy wasn't really a problem ... getting enough Agi / sense would be harder. As an opi ... agi / sense would hardly be needed to twink at all to get 250-270 on.
Opi's also have cheaper abilities ... maxing all abilities is cheaper than on soli .. freeing up IP for our other skills. (A tradeskill engi do have some "ip-shortage" if you wanna do damage too).
The only negative side to opi engi's would be the lack of stamina. It would probably lock you to 240-250 chest symbiant at end game ... and you get 2 secs hp-delta a few levels later than others. You will get 2 secs hp-delta, no problem (cause Control symbs are way overpowered)
HP and nano pool will be the same .... both can reset nano pool at end game ... without problems. ( nano delta + nano cost > nano pool )
Opi:
+ More IP for skills, as abilities are cheper
+ Quite easier to get on most symbs at 200+ and especially at end game
+ Easier to get on Combined Sharpshooter
+ More evades
+ More AS-skill
+ More AR with engi weapons ( grenade and pistols)
- Crappy ShadowBreed (clan at least)
- Less stamina => might not be able to equip 270 Chest at end game
- Will get 2sec's hp tick a few levels later
- Harder to get on Combined Commando and Paramedics (but why on earth would an engi use Paramedics anyway
- Slightly less "exotic" weapon skills like burst and full auto
True, and I agree, although believing in engie with evades is considered heresy on this forum. So better say these things in a hushed voice.
Nice, didn't think of that before. I still think that soli > opi in pvp. But a nice bonus indeed.
Burst is a 100% standard engie and pistol user skill. Hard to beat its use in pvm. Not exotic at all. FA is.... less useful, but mainly because there are so few good wepons for it. I'd raise that any time if it gives me some nice toy. Let's see what Lost Eden brings. I heard rumors of a FA-Jame, although it might be Soldier-only.
The Evul ones have ears everywhere, and evade engy is heresy
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