Why the Jobe Explorer Personal Pistol is bad for Adventurers

[Glarawyn]

I am okay with our FA being inferior to a soldier's. I am okay with my Burst being inferior to both a soldier's and a fixer's. I am not okay being squandered and hearded toward a ****ty special (hello fling!) that is only worth it on a gun with high crit (which, of course, we don't get!). I am definately NOT okay with the fact, let alone the concept, that doctors get better pistols than we do. Even if they can't utilize them as we can, there is something wrong when a class that has it's primary role as a healer is getting better weapons than a combat class.

I recently collected feedback on various Advy threads and made it into a nice long thread showing how bad Ranged Advy perks and weapons are on the Professionals forums. I was a bit surprised. 1he perks do over twice the damage of Pistol perks over in about the same timeframe, and that's only Pistol Master vs. Edged Mastery.

Even more surprising is that the feedback from other professionals is positive and there are no flam wars breaking out. The other professionals seem to agree: It sucks to be a ranged advy.

Fling is hardly worth counting. Maybe if it had a 100% crit chance, but even then it wouldn't be a powerful special unless we got a major crit modifier on our weapons.

Doctor's weapons do look superior, but Doctors don't have the skills needed to give their weapons superior performance. Even so, it does does feel like a slap in the face. When I get back from my travels I'll add some stuff about the Doc pistols to the feedback thread.

Odds are we won't hear anything from FunCom on new adventurer weapons until it actually hits test live. Remember that even the professionals program is a one way deal.

[Glarawyn]

The day we get an AS pistol will be the same day I cancel my subscription and give away all my stuff.

[Tornty]

Great

Bump for AS pistol (with a nice laser sight).




Can i have your CSS please.

[wolfmyth]

Thanks Glarawyn, at least even trying counts even if we don't get anything.

[Nosgoth]

Yes, Glarawyn, good thing with the professionals forums. As for the AS pistol, I don't want a AS pistol. The "We've got a concealment buff and a AS buff" is just a good argument for shocking people, who say, that advs should stay on their toolset. While AS is in the toolset, we can shock those guys by only talking about this buff (for non-advs and advs who don't know it: Eagle Eye) and asking ironically for a pistol without FA, that fits in our toolset.

Oh.... And maybe you could ask the other professionals for bumping the "Advy Pistols" thread in game suggestions forum in a row. Would look quite nice, i think.

[Glarawyn]

Oh.... And maybe you could ask the other professionals for bumping the "Advy Pistols" thread in game suggestions forum in a row. Would look quite nice, i think.

Ewww no bumpage spam.

[Theonora]

I was a bit surprised. 1he perks do over twice the damage of Pistol perks over in about the same timeframe, and that's only Pistol Master vs. Edged Mastery.

See, that's just painful.

Even more surprising is that the feedback from other professionals is positive and there are no flam wars breaking out. The other professionals seem to agree: It sucks to be a ranged advy.

Well, that's....mildly encouraging.

*pessimist by nature*

Theo

[Nosgoth]

If its this far, we should consider taking some EMO-lessons in NT/MP-forums. Maybe we get our new pistol then.

Btw... theonoras thread in the game suggestions forum is on place 4 of "most replies" in game suggestions. In front of it are "Newbie Island clearance", "MP Pets" and "Reward for AI30". 2 of those threads are public (everyone is affected) issues, "MP Pets" is a problem that exists longer than SL afaik.... So... Great bumpwork and keep it going. The way FC is listening to the players, I think we could expect something for the future.

[Redbar]

Doctor's weapons do look superior, but Doctors don't have the skills needed to give their weapons superior performance. Even so, it does does feel like a slap in the face. When I get back from my travels I'll add some stuff about the Doc pistols to the feedback thread.

If you're talking about saving IP in FA and getting nice buffs, yes, the doctor pistols are superior. In PvM damage, they look inferior to JEPP+Peregrine, even before factoring in the doctor's lower AR and worse damage scaling above 1k.

(but then again, doctors should have worse weapons since they have a secondary source of damage, so the question could be if their pistols are worse _enough_).

[dummydoo]

ure forgetting they also have a secondary source of dammage. namely dots.

[Verta]

Secondary form of damage is only useful solo or against hp mobs, or city aliens and such. In Inf teams or zergs mobs die too fast for the dots to tick.

And in small teams I am not going to complain about doc's damage.

[Verta]

Even more surprising is that the feedback from other professionals is positive and there are no flam wars breaking out. The other professionals seem to agree: It sucks to be a ranged advy.

Flames? Heh, a little while back I got laughed at in vicinity, for being a ranged advy

Great job putting the info together Glara, I do hope something comes out of that.

[Redbar]

(but then again, doctors should have worse weapons since they have a secondary source of damage, so the question could be if their pistols are worse _enough_).

ure forgetting they also have a secondary source of dammage. namely dots.

Am I now?

Anyway, that's where the doctor's naturally lower AR and worse damage scaling past 1k comes into play. But yes: while the doctor pistols aren't actually better for damage than Peregrine+JEPP, and even more so when counting who uses each weapon, the question is if they're so close that their dots can cover the difference.

Then again, with doctor heals being pretty much unneeded for SK these days (yes, also in 220 hards), isn't it only fair that they get to do some damage to boost their viability in SK teams? (only thing that sucks for them is that they don't get their damage boost until they're almost done SKing ).

[dummydoo]

Am I now?

oops

(only thing that sucks for them is that they don't get their damage boost until they're almost done SKing ).

huh? they can equip their pistols at 150. at least left hand.

[Verta]

oops



huh? they can equip their pistols at 150. at least left hand.

1701 pistol? You'd have to sacrifice 'a lot' to get it on at 150. But for both of them, 1500MR means they don't usually get equipped till late shadowlevels and a full set of supple.

[wolfmyth]

1701 pistol? You'd have to sacrifice 'a lot' to get it on at 150. But for both of them, 1500MR means they don't usually get equipped till late shadowlevels and a full set of supple.

Not really, Pistol is the easiest weapon to buff. Still that gun on so soon is insane. It should not be possible.

Or should we allow soldiers to put on the DS at 150 also?....

[dummydoo]

http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...d.php?t=521879

hmm acording to him he can get 983 MR at lv150. ( with supple yes). i don't see 500 more points requiring that much more twinking at early T7.

also he clams to be able to keep it either non-oe with EP running or with the supple.
i don't see the sacrifice.

also he claims he can do rhand in a few levels....

[Verta]

He lost 4 healing perks that I see - 2BGH, quick heak and team heal. He's lost nanodelta from rwrist for the sake of pistol. He's tied to agility leg and foot instead of evades. He is forced to use implants over symbs. His utilities and huds are pistol, not hp/evades. He's got no fingers left for sheffy's micro coil, which is uber for nano regen. He won't have much hp, which kinda helps to survive some alphas. And he'll be running out of nano after 3 CHs with no perk back up. Yep its suctificing 'a lot' in my books.
And unles he's got a pocket engy, he'll have to get a full set of css. All in all, i'd stick with jame for pvm.
But still, very nicely done

[Nosgoth]

Okay... so a doc needs to sacrifice many things for having his ubar gun equipped at lvl 150.... what has an adv to sacrifice for equipping JEPP at 140?

This makes me wanting a new gun much more than this whole thread did....

[dummydoo]

He lost 4 healing perks that I see - 2BGH, quick heak and team heal.

huh? scroll down, u are looking at his twink setup and not his final setup. also bgh
heals for 1400 every 10min each @ lv150, the team heal even less.. hardly what i'd call uber. infact after going through doc perks at 150. i would only really perk "Specialist Healer".
i'll use http://auno.org/ao/perk.php?prof=10&...p1240=0&p820=0

He's lost nanodelta from rwrist for the sake of pistol.

yeah so? it's not possible to do dammage and get a 2sec nano tic at 150. to make a note.- i have a doctor @ 112 and atm while yes he does not CH. he can spam LE
indefinitely on rk. ok granted LE is not CH but still... how often will u spam CH at 150?

He's tied to agility leg and foot instead of evades.

scroll down that page

He is forced to use implants over symbs.

QL250 imps are better in some spots at lv150. ill take an imp over the support leg/foot anyday. (some other spots too, but too lazy to check which)

His utilities and huds are pistol, not hp/evades.

see above about scrollin. also why evades? u wont evade anything on a doc and if it's about crits just use all the -crit items available.

He's got no fingers left for sheffy's micro coil, which is uber for nano regen. He won't have much hp, which kinda helps to survive some alphas. And he'll be running out of nano after 3 CHs with no perk back up.

scroll down that page

Yep its suctificing 'a lot' in my books.

so this point is moot.

And unles he's got a pocket engy, he'll have to get a full set of css.

having a pocket engie isn't that hard, also he can simply ask engies around for buffs. i used to buff beg early t7 to keep my type1 non-oe for a few levels. and then my type 4(soldas) and then my heals... ( mp). i buff begged a LOT. eh beg i mean

All in all, i'd stick with jame for pvm.

yes jame is a very good gun. my doc is planning on using it at 150 too. but the pistol setup will last that guy forever.