Friday With Means - January 16th, 2009

[Armus]

What happens if this is used near water? Pppl gonna end 120m out in the water and then get shot to S**T when they try to get back?

I can already see the solution to that one. It's: alt+f4x2 and then play something a bit less ill thought through.

[Hacre]

What happens if this is used near water? Pppl gonna end 120m out in the water and then get shot to S**T when they try to get back?

I can already see the solution to that one. It's: alt+f4x2 and then play something a bit less ill thought through.

I was chatting with Tia in game earlier and he made the very good point that the damage of OS has already been done in the fact that if you compare the number of Omni PvPers that have been around for a long time and involved in NW, to the number of Clans, the difference is massive. It taking FC 2 years to acknowledge that something should be done, has taken its toll.

As has the refusal to cycle the default server up until recently, which is just resulting in RK1 getting more froobs while getting little to no new blood in the TL7 ranks.

It is very much a case of locking the barn doors after the horse has bolted.

[Darkirbiskaa]

I was chatting with Tia in game earlier and he made the very good point that the damage of OS has already been done in the fact that if you compare the number of Omni PvPers that have been around for a long time and involved in NW, to the number of Clans, the difference is massive. It taking FC 2 years to acknowledge that something should be done, has taken its toll.

As has the refusal to cycle the default server up until recently, which is just resulting in RK1 getting more froobs while getting little to no new blood in the TL7 ranks.

It is very much a case of locking the barn doors after the horse has bolted.

Imo this new OS is nothing good for claners,claners are huge outnumbered at tl7 and you had only one chance and it was wipe omnis with insta death from OS.
You had success with it in PW sometimes,but now if this OS doesn´t kill us,you have no chance anymore.
I hope you aren´t now frustrated from new OS

[Hacre]

Imo this new OS is nothing good for claners,claners are huge outnumbered at tl7 and you had only one chance and it was wipe omnis with insta death from OS.
You had success with it in PW sometimes,but now if this OS doesn´t kill us,you have no chance anymore.
I hope you aren´t now frustrated from new OS

If we'd had this change made to OS before most of our TL7 PvPers quit the game, it'd be a bit different.

As it stands now, as you say we're greatly outnumbered and thus it fixes very little.

Oh well, maybe RK2 will see the benefit from it.

[Darkirbiskaa]

If we'd had this change made to OS before most of our TL7 PvPers quit the game, it'd be a bit different.

As it stands now, as you say we're greatly outnumbered and thus it fixes very little.

Oh well, maybe RK2 will see the benefit from it.

Ouch,i have to agree

[Armus]

It's gonna be great for ranged ppl to pewpew helpess melee classes.

Funfun.

[Darkirbiskaa]

It's gonna be great for ranged ppl to pewpew helpess melee classes.

Funfun.

I left BS right now and i wanted to write it,but you were faster.

Knockback effect will move you approximately 120 meters from where you were hit, on landing you will be subject to a 30ish second/not removeable snare (to make it slightly more difficult to regroup efficiently.)

I can imagine how big love ranged got from FC in this case.
A lot of melee players will pwned very hard and snare isn´t good imo.

[IHaveHugeNick]

It's gonna be great for ranged ppl to pewpew helpess melee classes.

Funfun.

As if melee classes were ever something else then a cannon fodder in TL7 NW.

[pinkishpunk]

can we get any explanation to why Funcom has decied to do something now and not earlier ? has someone from funcom finally been hit by a OS ? would love to hear that. something must have caused this chance of mind, all this time we heard OS and all the other LE **** was working as it was supposed to be.

[Scrubby]

can we get any explanation to why Funcom has decied to do something now and not earlier ? has someone from funcom finally been hit by a OS ? would love to hear that. something must have caused this chance of mind, all this time we heard OS and all the other LE **** was working as it was supposed to be.

Means.

[Vhax]

can we get any explanation to why Funcom has decied to do something now and not earlier ? has someone from funcom finally been hit by a OS ? would love to hear that. something must have caused this chance of mind, all this time we heard OS and all the other LE **** was working as it was supposed to be.

Means.

[krumpfwild]

I'm not going to let it stop me from trying other strange ideas in the future.

What about giving some love to 1hb/2hb perklines ? Or is that a too strange idea ?

[rustinel]

Means.

Means.

Indeed.

I am not bandwagonning(is that a word?) Means has the enthusiasm of some guy you teamed last night. Some newb who is still overawed by parts of this game. Some guy you took round one dungeon or another, or got their first garden key for them.
Some guy you took up BS for their first time after they were away from game for years.

Sil was a whole order of magnitude better than his predecessor...Means I feel like I am actually playing this game with him. I probably am, I believe he has more than a few alts of varying levels. Don't stop Means please

This 'Means' Progress <3

[pinkishpunk]

roll a fixer then means

[aramsunat]

Means got it wrong I think. It is not knockback that borkes collision mechanics, the problem is that it is already bugged to hell. Imo it needs a serious revision, and probably worths the time and the effort to correct some of the most annoying bugs in the game.

It really needs to be fixed some time. I know that reworking a long piece of code is a huge pain, but if that is feasable, go for it, I think no one minds a little delay of the booster.

[Technogen]

The code for collision would be a little bit larger then the code for the render engine "I think". It wouldnt exactlly be a quick thing to do.

[Vhax]

The code for collision would be a little bit larger then the code for the render engine "I think". It wouldnt exactlly be a quick thing to do.

I don't think so actually. Code for rendering is quite massive. Out of curiosity, checkout Ogre from SVN :P
AO's collision is quite basic, there's just a risk when originally developed it's integrated into various parts it shouldn't be (as many parts of AO did).
Collision code itself usually isn't very large. It's just some math + some hacks (cause we can't afford the CPU power for a "perfect" solution).
It's an annoying thing to develop though. To do it right you want to be quite strong on math.

[Zadamm]

Hi,

The 7s -> 5s changes worries me a bit from the view point of lower lvl notum wars.
It will become even easier for people outside the range of the field to defend the field.

Previously one could attack a low lvl field, tl6-7 came to OS you (this shouldn't happen, should be in the level range of the field). You would have a good chance to avoid the OS.

Now the same happens and you have much less chance to avoid OS.
->The problem with people able to plant markers to fields outside their pvp range becomes more apparent.
-> Fix it?

[Keldros]

If we'd had this change made to OS before most of our TL7 PvPers quit the game, it'd be a bit different.

As it stands now, as you say we're greatly outnumbered and thus it fixes very little.

Oh well, maybe RK2 will see the benefit from it.

RK1 is the default server.

If you drive all the new players away from your faction and/or server, it's not FC's fault.
If you can't wait a couple of months for new game mechanics to balance out side XP, it's also not FC's fault.

[Darkirbiskaa]

->The problem with people able to plant markers to fields outside their pvp range becomes more apparent.
-> Fix it?

Yes,fix it pls,in tl7 NW there is everytime some lowbie from Eq only for plant OS and we can´t kill him....