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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowgod View Post
    thats a whole.... 6?





    someone had to say it...
    isn't that a significant percentage of of the current AO subscriber base?
    Someone had to say it..

    Being aware of cross platform portability only work in Funcom's favor on this. Not everyone enjoys being forced in the MS environment. Right now, we can more-or-less play AO on Linux and on Mac OS/X. AoC, we cannot.
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  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by lazarus View Post
    it could be that FC have highres textures inhouse from old days.

    Actually AO's current textures are highrez
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  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Technogen View Post
    Actually AO's current textures are highrez
    Actually, no, they're not.

  4. #104
    The Shadow Land textures and foward are much higher resultion than the original RK textures. The SL release saw the original AO engine rev'd from 1.0 to 1.5. And that is how it was put out back in the day.

    But just because you are in SL does not mean all textures are higher res. The player models and only weapons and nano effects and weapon effects and several of the mob textures from pre-SL didnot get any love then. So SL is a hodge podge of old and new textures. Frankly that can be a visible problem that is over looked by developers but an eye sore to the players. One crappy old texture on model with all the rest being new high res stuff looks like fine art with a section done in crayon.

    I still am of the opinion that game play at level 1 to 209 will be the death of AO if not addressed prior to any graphics release. The last thing AO needs are reviews that read "Stunning graphics but broken game play....." when they re-release the game to say. If people think graphics are going to keep people consider this.

    New players have this visually stunning world to run a round in. But they run around and find that the game is hard to play, a grind really and that drops are useless and random. With the current mechanics and general lack of older players utilizing the content the way it was meant to be used how will the true new players that are the salvation of the game ever stay.

    This lastest round of balancing is going to be the real sign of games life. If they balance only the endgame (looks like it) then the game is doomed to die a slow death.
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  5. #105
    IDK, I want to know if new players think the game is a grind. Remember a lot of the "GRIND" is old players who've done the leveling thing like 500 times.

    *shrug*

    I was trying to find Jayde's tool to extract some of the textures to show people but meh. Pretty much what Lheann said, all the textures post SL were much higher rez.
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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by blix01 View Post
    isn't that a significant percentage of of the current AO subscriber base?
    Someone had to say it..

    Being aware of cross platform portability only work in Funcom's favor on this. Not everyone enjoys being forced in the MS environment. Right now, we can more-or-less play AO on Linux and on Mac OS/X. AoC, we cannot.
    Supporting multiple clients is expensive.
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  7. #107
    Quote Originally Posted by Technogen View Post
    Actually AO's current textures are highrez
    They are higher rez (compared to old ones), not high rez.
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by blix01 View Post
    . Not everyone enjoys being forced in the MS environment.

    thats like complaining you're "forced" to use a hammer to drive a nail into the wall.

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  9. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowgod View Post
    thats like complaining you're "forced" to use a hammer to drive a nail into the wall.
    When you can instead use a nailgun to drive the nail into the wall at 3 times the speed, 3 times the accuracy, almost no risk of bending the nail, and no chance of hitting the hammer on your thumb.

    So, yeah.

    WTB client being usable with Linux - via Wine or a native client.

    PS: Using a nailgun to drive nails into the wall, rather than a hammer that can hurt your thumb.. brings some altogether different accidents...
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Lupusceleri View Post
    When you can instead use a nailgun to drive the nail into the wall at 3 times the speed, 3 times the accuracy, almost no risk of bending the nail, and no chance of hitting the hammer on your thumb.

    So, yeah.

    WTB client being usable with Linux - via Wine or a native client.

    PS: Using a nailgun to drive nails into the wall, rather than a hammer that can hurt your thumb.. brings some altogether different accidents...
    a nailgun is not always the right tool for driving nails.

    linux is not the right tool for playing pc games.

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  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Lupusceleri View Post
    When you can instead use a nailgun to drive the nail into the wall at 3 times the speed, 3 times the accuracy, almost no risk of bending the nail, and no chance of hitting the hammer on your thumb.

    So, yeah.

    WTB client being usable with Linux - via Wine or a native client.

    PS: Using a nailgun to drive nails into the wall, rather than a hammer that can hurt your thumb.. brings some altogether different accidents...
    I think you mean: 3 times the development time, 3 times the testing time, 3 times the expenses and 3 users actually appreciating the effort.
    It's a no-win situation for FC.
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  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    Supporting multiple clients is expensive.
    I don't expect official support from Funcom. However if it's possible to not go out of your way to make it no longer work with wine/cedega, then I'd like to ask, as a Linux user that FC would do that. AO will work on Linux now, the fact that it does was a deciding factor on me trying the game out in the first place.

    I'm not going to switch my entire operating system for one game. So it would be nice if the new engine worked in wine. If not, cest la vie I guess.
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  13. #113
    You don't need to switch operating system at all, you just need to run it as well. Think of it as a multipurpose gaming console, that plays the game the way it was meant to be played, rather than some emulator hack that you don't really know will work properly for everything.
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    Kinkstaah: I have agro from many mobs ;(
    Madarab: we are aoe class, we are supose to use pistols
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  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Vhab View Post
    I think you mean: 3 times the development time, 3 times the testing time, 3 times the expenses and 3 players (that would be about 30% of currently active subsribers) actually appreciating the effort.
    I fixed that for you.

    Expensive? Yes. Time consuming? Yes. Can they afford ignoring other platoforms when playerbase has shrinked down to a fracture of what it once was? I doubt that.

    Plus, the whole thing is already in Duke Nukem Forever category, what's another 2 years to develop linux client.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    You don't need to switch operating system at all, you just need to run it as well. Think of it as a multipurpose gaming console, that plays the game the way it was meant to be played, rather than some emulator hack that you don't really know will work properly for everything.
    Ah, you mean we get Windows free now if we have active AO subscription running?

  16. #116
    Quote Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick View Post
    I fixed that for you.

    Expensive? Yes. Time consuming? Yes. Can they afford ignoring other platoforms when playerbase has shrinked down to a fracture of what it once was? I doubt that.

    Plus, the whole thing is already in Duke Nukem Forever category, what's another 2 years to develop linux client.
    It's an investment they'd never get the full value back on.
    The Linux user base is so small and insignificant that spending money on it is completely wasted.
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  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick View Post
    Ah, you mean we get Windows free now if we have active AO subscription running?
    Here you go, windows free. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ And it runs AO very well.
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  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    You don't need to switch operating system at all, you just need to run it as well. Think of it as a multipurpose gaming console, that plays the game the way it was meant to be played, rather than some emulator hack that you don't really know will work properly for everything.
    Heh, I don't know that Windows will work properly for everything either

    Yes I can set up a dual boot, I might even do that the day I can be bothered to restructure all of my storage to fit it in, just for one game.

    Besides you seem to be being belligerent for the sake of it. I'm not demanding FC create a native Linux client, I fully appreciate that it wouldn't be economically viable for them to do so.

    I'm hoping, however, that the new engine will function if not in Wine, at least in Cedega. It's hardly "some emulator hack" anyway, given that Wine Is Not an Emulator. It also works just fine with a great many apps, including modern games.
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  19. #119
    Quote Originally Posted by Technogen View Post
    Here you go, windows free. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/ And it runs AO very well.
    Only free until 2010. Engine is scheduled for somewhere around 2017.

  20. #120
    Quote Originally Posted by Vhab View Post
    The Linux user base is so small and insignificant that spending money on it is completely wasted.
    No one expects full-blown dedicated Linux client. There is no harm in making emulation through wine possible though.

    I actually used to run a double-boot setup with Windows just for AO and Linux for everything else, but its ridicolous beyond insanity to have to each time relog and stop whatever work or activities you have started , just to play for 1-2 hours, not to mention setting up and mantain twice everything i need even just for gaming (and that would be at minimum IM, browser, IRC client, some form of media player with extensive library system and so on.)

    In the end i just stick up with Windows, and Linux blows anyway.

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