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Thread: Friday with Means - June 4th, 2010 - IIBAWDKW

  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixOfAges View Post
    I forgot it as I have since and even then greeted it as nonsense or something that wouldn't amount to anything. Look at what has happened at BSs since then and they plan to do in the future. We now have BS daily missions, do one round and get as much as 1.5k extra VP plus XP/SK and tokens. The new PvP zone will be a BS "waiting room" and it has been said that it will give VP too. So first you'll get VP in the new "waiting room", then you could get VP in the BS from those reward items, some more from the end reward then yet more from a BS daily mission. That's a hell of a lot of VP that kept getting piled into BSs on top of the five times or so increase the end reward received compare to what they gave on launch day. Meanwhile mission drops were noticeably nerfed supposedly by accident (although as they never did anything about it you have to wonder about it being an accident) since launch day after they added mission difficulty options.

    Unless the VP in missions is increased multiple times over at this point it will not shrink the difference, at least not in any noticeable or meaningful way. Especially compare to when that was stated or earlier as the divide just keeps getting larger. Also as it is a drop it is subject to random luck. Sometime you'll get them often, other times they just won't drop. They are drops which makes them more a solo affair as if done in a team your VP gains can go right down the tubes plus you slow things down a good bit as someone waits to loot while others run off to kill. If LE mission aliens are gimped a good bit as it sounds they will missions will be just as they were at launch, walk in with a self pulled mission, crush the aliens easily and loot. In BSs people can and have formed farm rounds to milk massive amounts of VP out of BSs in little time. A "small" increase in mission VP won't mean jack squat when compared to current BS VP gains. I even said most of that and more in response to that post from Means back then.

    Then saying that VP should be automatically gained on a kill is nothing new. Hell, I've been saying that for years, just look at my sig. It seems quite doubtful that they will move away from VP mission gains by way of drops though.
    totally agreed, the gap between LE Mishes and BS vp has widened since said post last year. lets not forget the vp that drops off of corpses in BS either. also, i would never claim the idea of automatic vp from alien kills to be my own, as it was talked about ingame over ooc/team/org chat constantly when/after LE was launched. its a dead horse at this point i guess, but might as well give it one last boot to the ribs out of annoyance.
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  2. #82
    First.
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  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Colawren View Post
    First.
    First to quote First.

    Otherwise, I'm in agreement with the above people. Being a non-PVPer, I feel like BS is continually the only effective way to get VP.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Tanisthonus View Post
    First to quote First.

    Otherwise, I'm in agreement with the above people. Being a non-PVPer, I feel like BS is continually the only effective way to get VP.
    maybe FC should rename VP to PVP points instead.. as that's what VP is. Victory points for killing oposing faction methinks

  5. #85
    Sure, no problem. Just create PvM points for killing mobs and make Ofab buyable with either.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldofalts View Post
    lets not forget the vp that drops off of corpses in BS either.
    I mentioned that but I'm pretty sure those were in before that post from Means. That is why I didn't list it in the list of since or coming ways to get VP in BSs but did list it in the ways to get VP when doing BSs in the future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniker View Post
    maybe FC should rename VP to PVP points instead.. as that's what VP is. Victory points for killing oposing faction methinks
    They said from the very first time VP was ever mentioned that it would be gained by way of both PvM and PvP. Then most of what VP buys is general use stuff that may not even be too desirable in PvP at all. Let's also not forget they even told us they were upping the BS VP as a lure to get people not going to BSs at that time in BSs. That was as they didn't run all that much better at launch than they do now since there's just not enough people in game looking to PvP often if at all.

    Also those BSs are the orbital gun stations that according to the story were originally put around Rubi-Ka to help fight the aliens. Since NW the story has gone more towards us vs some other force, the Beast, aliens and the Dust Brigade. They said LE was in part to highlight the Clan vs Omni war again but as people didn't seemed to care to go to BSs as much as they expected I'd say focusing on the us vs some other force story line with the Clan vs Omni story on the side would be in their best interests.

  7. #87
    Just merge all 3 factions into a humanoid faction, change BS to red versus blue, change gas to no higher than 25% in any area, give an option to let froob players log in as a random alien in the Xan playfield, make GMS available for all players (even froobs), unlimited IP resets, a grid point in every zone, every green/yellow/orange/red mob killed in any location gives 2 VP, add two zeros to the min & max damage of every shop buyable weapon (or remove them), remove all nodrop & unique identifiers.

    At least one of those should upset enough of the playerbase that no one will be completely happy.
    Last edited by tazalanche; Jun 7th, 2010 at 17:32:27.
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  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by tazalanche View Post
    Just merge all 3 factions into a humanoid faction, change BS to red versus blue, change gas to no higher than 25% in any area, give an option to let froob players log in as a random alien in the Xan playfield, make GMS available for all players (even froobs), unlimited IP resets, a grid point in every zone, every green/yellow/orange/red mob killed in any location gives 2 VP, add two zeros to the min & max damage of every shop buyable weapon (or remove them), remove all nodrop & unique identifiers.

    At least one of those should upset enough of the playerbase that no one will be completely happy.
    throwing absurd ideas together with good ones is an old tactic to discredit the good ideas and make them all look silly. Your post is likely a troll, with a likely response of "well, tell us, which ones are the good ideas, huh?.

    Im sure most players can look through your list and point out the ones that would be beneficial (maybe if modified or toned down in some cases), and the ones that are plain silly. if you can't distinguish between the two, thats your problem.

    your attempt to paint a mix of good and bad ideas with the same brush leaves you looking like a sourpuss, nothing more. i assume that you dislike all of the ideas that you've posted, and that you would be upset if any of them were implemented. otherwise you would post and support ideas that you like, instead of taking other peoples (not mine) good ideas and mixing them with bad, or even silly ones. again, if you cant distinguish between which are which, thats your problem, not mine.
    Last edited by Worldofalts; Jun 7th, 2010 at 18:14:58.
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  9. #89
    b0c for 1000 paid points sign me up after losing 50+ rolls on that item, id gladly pay that price now

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldofalts View Post
    throwing absurd ideas together with good ones is an old tactic to discredit the good ideas and make them all look silly. Your post is likely a troll, with a likely response of "well, tell us, which ones are the good ideas, huh?.

    Im sure most players can look through your list and point out the ones that would be beneficial (maybe if modified or toned down in some cases), and the ones that are plain silly. if you can't distinguish between the two, thats your problem.

    your attempt to paint a mix of good and bad ideas with the same brush leaves you looking like a sourpuss, nothing more. i assume that you dislike all of the ideas that you've posted, and that you would be upset if any of them were implemented. otherwise you would post and support ideas that you like, instead of taking other peoples (not mine) good ideas and mixing them with bad, or even silly ones. again, if you cant distinguish between which are which, thats your problem, not mine.
    Absurdity is a matter of opinion & we all know what opinions are like.


    Every single one of the ideas that I posted have people that support them, as well as people that hate them. There were a few of them that I do not support, but I remained unbiased in my comments about them, as they were ideas that had not made it to this thread yet.

    I DO post & support the threads with ideas that I truly like. If you bothered to check my previous posts in my profile, before making false accusations, you would have seen that. Heck, I even have someone else's thread, that I FULLY support, in my signature. Since there are so many masters at berating others in this forum, I usually let others post & ridicule the threads with ideas that I do not like.

    Making accusations as to my intent is totally uncalled for. If I intended to be trolling, or drop to the childish level of name calling, I would have said something similar to your post.
    Last edited by tazalanche; Jun 8th, 2010 at 00:57:34.
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  11. #91
    Sorry I don't have any new heads this week.
    bewbs pls !

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  12. #92
    Needs More Bewbs !!!
    Funcom hire me as Content Designer !!

  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldofalts View Post
    throwing absurd ideas
    I think that his post had a good impact. It highlights by extreme what would happen to the game if the developers listened to every demand and idea. Then implemented them.
    Quote Originally Posted by tazalanche View Post
    ... but I remained unbiased in my comments about them, as they were ideas that had not made it to this thread yet. ...
    ... and this probably detracts from Taz's credibility because I say it; most of his posts are logic, well thought out and unbiased.
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  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by JenShay View Post
    I think that his post had a good impact. It highlights by extreme what would happen to the game if the developers listened to every demand and idea. Then implemented them.


    ... and this probably detracts from Taz's credibility because I say it; most of his posts are logic, well thought out and unbiased.
    Even though we disagree on occasion, you seem to have understood my intentions.

    Thank you.
    Maybe™ is the new Soon™.
    Quote Originally Posted by Means View Post
    At heart I am a vindictive, heartless, ruthless bastard and behaving in any other way is an effort for me.™
    Quote Originally Posted by Means View Post
    Our goal is to have a closed Beta running this year.™

  15. #95
    Just 5 pages long FwM What's up with trolls.
    i R not spik engrish

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by SSK View Post
    Just 5 pages long FwM What's up with trolls.
    It is Summertime. Most are out of primary school for the next month or two & their parents are forcing them to play outside.
    Maybe™ is the new Soon™.
    Quote Originally Posted by Means View Post
    At heart I am a vindictive, heartless, ruthless bastard and behaving in any other way is an effort for me.™
    Quote Originally Posted by Means View Post
    Our goal is to have a closed Beta running this year.™

  17. #97
    Or we're playing the games instead of sitting on the forums wondering where the trolls went.
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  18. #98
    I found out what keyboard they are using. Then wrote a virus to destroy their drivers.

    It will be awhile before they figure out how to letter hunt and one finger type on a normal one again.
    Anarrina is just doing her job. Way nicer in IRC.|| High aptitudes in some things != social skills.
    "Don't debate with a troll. They are impervious and will bring you down to their level; in height range to beat you with their thick little skulls."
    Audible taste of Africa.
    One string.| How to bring a sense of accomplishment back. "Fr00bs play AO; sl00bs work it."
    Why so serious?
    Stick What? You mean there are not enough PvP-ers ... to get the BS running? ... how come ...
    Aeliniyah : Where exactly? ... it requires only 6+6 people to start a round of BS, yet they never run ...

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