Evades - How good should they be

[Azama]

I got 3600ish AR and i can almost never hit any Adv/Fixer/Crat/Shade/MA.

It's really depressing.

[Gridpain]

I d like to know what you mean by " I can almost never hit' // "I never hit"

I ve got 2800ish AR... and I hit fixers and advi "some"... sure I miss a lot, but I hit some.

[Kain97]

But its frustrating if someone plays in god mode. Even with only 1 in 3 bullets hitting the target its nearly impossible to get him down, but at least you have a chance.

It's always funny to me to hear people talk about the godliness of evade profs before they roll one... and then afterwards, getting to hear all their complaints about how sucky evades can be.

Absolutely, evades can be awesome. And they can also suck so bad it makes you ask the oft asked question of whether or not the latest patch broke evades somehow.

I have tanked 12man mobs on my fixer with no doc support (after the enf died and the docs followed) until the docs were able to rezz some and get back in... I have tanked close to half of db1 with just hots to keep me alive (and before the semi-recent updates to hots) .... and I have died to a Neretva trash mob that just kept hitting me, despite having 3300 raw evades and 3k aad. Those same types of scenarios play out regularly in pvp too.

I got 3600ish AR and i can almost never hit any Adv/Fixer/Crat/Shade/MA.

It's really depressing.

I can and have killed other evade profs, without using AS, with 3.3k-ish AR, and yes, that 3.3k number includes the -250 from LICC. And considering I usually run around with 2.9k-ish AR, just the extra 150-200 from the css someone loaned me, was extremely noticeable. I'd be very surprised if an additional 300 AR wouldn't result in the same type of jump in effective shots.

[Uchiha]

useless topic because nonevaders will always says that evades are too high and evaders will always want more, i am sol and yes, with 3650 ar and 2460 fa i am missing fulllautos and everything all the time, so i want evades to be reduced, because there is just no way how to hit high end evaders, actualy even enfs/traders/NT/keepers must have their evades debuffed by perks before i can land some serious damage.

on the other hand, if evades will be reduced, we will start landing huge FAs everytime and they will become useless.

[Ninjaloot]

I d like to know what you mean by " I can almost never hit' // "I never hit"

I ve got 2800ish AR... and I hit fixers and advi "some"... sure I miss a lot, but I hit some.

Im thinking Azama is talking about perking them. Can you perk anyone with your 2800 AR? I'm not talking about nano based perks either. I know that Full Auto will miss a lot on evade profs and that is a soldier's main attack.

But if you want to kill evade profs as a soldier you need to use a KEC3. What will happen in the balance update when they nerf the crap out of AS?

[Skyelord]

Well my example was a 75er solie (and no.. no gimp) not hitting a level 90 crat.
That crat will not have the fancy 12er/D1/D2/Hollow Island buffs and only half of the mentioned perks.

I although know a 150er enfo (no gimp either) with Chally not hitting a 174er NT on BS (no NS or NSII running). He didn´t even bother to move out of range...

If the perk actions are the answer, than ok. But still the question: Should it be that way?
I have no problem missing 75% of the time... but missing 100% of the time is stupid.

[ragerayden]

Work on your AR ? Don't go for an evader with 15 more lvl? Seriously...... The fact you are complaining is just wrong & stupid.

[Notcrattey]

I got 3600ish AR and i can almost never hit any Adv/Fixer/Crat/Shade/MA.

It's really depressing.

If you're not hitting shades or advies you don't have 3600 ar.

[Soliartist]

Even MAs tbh ...

[Ciex]

I got 3600ish AR and i can almost never hit any Adv/Fixer/Crat/Shade/MA.

It's really depressing.

You need to press "q".

[Gridpain]

Im thinking Azama is talking about perking them. Can you perk anyone with your 2800 AR? I'm not talking about nano based perks either.

Then Azama should have writen "perk" instead of "hit"

with 2.8k AR, 608ish of those coming from AAO, I cant perk any fixer, cant perk advi / MA / shades/ crats when they have the defense perk(s) runing, but can perk some of those and most of the other with AI perks and pistol perks. Still...

With rebalance counting AAO once for AI perks, and pistol perks going back to 100% I m not sure I ll perk anyone except 1 or 2 doc and sold ...

The problem with prof relying on evades only or mainly, it's they are very difficult to balance for FC...

Either the get hit / perked and they fall very low, or they are unperkable, and hit very seldom, and they raise high in survivability.(once AS gets nerfed)

[Shrubberyman]

Either the get hit / perked and they fall very low, or they are unperkable, and hit very seldom, and they raise high in survivability.(once AS gets nerfed)

Or they get hit very seldom under DoF, then get hit/perked more, seem to fall low but use heals, get hit some more, pop coon, see their coon go down and their hp fall again, use another heal, get at half hp, at which point DoF has refreshed. Rince and repeat. See what I mean?

[Gridpain]

Or they get hit very seldom under DoF, then get hit/perked more, seem to fall low but use heals, get hit some more, pop coon, see their coon go down and their hp fall again, use another heal, get at half hp, at which point DoF has refreshed. Rince and repeat. See what I mean?

oh yeah I see...

WTB Acro/bioshielding / heals on my crat

I was talking about prof relying only or mainly on evades.
not adives that have evades, heals and absorb if ever they need to use it.

[Shrubberyman]

oh yeah I see...

WTB Acro/bioshielding / heals on my crat

Enter the queue, NTs first!

[Gridpain]

Enter the queue, NTs first!

sure

Can I have NBS/NGB meanwhile ?

[Skyelord]

just the extra 150-200 from the css someone loaned me, was extremely noticeable. I'd be very surprised if an additional 300 AR wouldn't result in the same type of jump in effective shots.

Yes, thats not balanced. If on level 220 600 attackrating is all between "I always get hit" and "I never get hit" then you will never get a balanced system.

Make it 1200 attackrating between "I always get hit" and "I never get hit" and perhaps change "I always get hit" to "80% of all attacks hit" and change "I never get hit" to 20% of all attacks hit and you can start to balance the system.

[Soliartist]

Evades and NR are nothing but "partial defenses" anyway. Just like AR is just a "partial offense", it's a matter of luck and percentage. Regarding hits anyway. We people do our best to wrestle with luck and %. It works for and against you.

[Genie]

The agg-def bar modifies the effectiveness of defense. Maybe it should be reworked so that it modifies both defense and offense. This way you have to make a choice whether to have full defense or full offense. The modifications would need to be scaled to todays defense and offense values. And the change between full def and full agg would need to be noticable.

[Ocene]

@OP

STOP THE QQing.

You only tried to hit this guy 3000 times....and missed it all...where's the panic.

Yes and you got 3800 AR.. in fact at 4.3K it's the same... no need to whine..2500+ FA skill...same.

Advys/Fixers/Crats etc were blessed by IDDQD back in 3500 BC, no need to QQ cause it didn't change. Adapt.

Stop the QQ threads guys.. even though something is seriously wrong with AAD.

[Soliartist]

Heh, Ocene. I see what you did there dawg.