What Are We, Exactly? (Traders & Item Shop)

[Saetos]

As I said in FWM:

Pre-packaged 'buff' items which can be used for twinking purpopses. These are already available in today's Testlive patch, but will not be going into the shop until we have additional code support for their use requirements. These buffs are designed to be used for twinking purposes only and will consist only of buff nanos you could already receive in-game from other characters (IE: targeted-cast nanos from professions)."

If this includes Wrangles, and if it makes it into the game as such, I'm deleting Ryuahn and resigning my post as Trader professional. This is absolute **** treatment of the profession, allowing other players to purchase our nanos and our tools, the same nanos and tools that made us Traders. And with all Engineers being guaranteed tradeskillers, why even have us anymore?

[Ninjaloot]

although I don't like this selling buffs and items for money business, I really doubt you will "quit your trader professional post" and delete your trader.

quit crying.

[Saetos]

although I don't like this selling buffs and items for money business, I really doubt you will "quit your trader professional post" and delete your trader.

quit crying.

You bet I will.

I'm tired of our vague and veiled role we have in teams. The two things we have going for us - our buffs and our tools - are about to be given out to everyone for a nice little toll. And asofyet we have nothing else to show for it. Why play a Trader?

[RedWatr]

if they'd actually even consider releasing wrangles in a package people could use during a fight for a free WTF AR BOOST, i will officially sh** my pants k.

[Tazalanche]

As I said in FWM:



If this includes Wrangles, and if it makes it into the game as such, I'm deleting Ryuahn and resigning my post as Trader professional. This is absolute **** treatment of the profession, allowing other players to purchase our nanos and our tools, the same nanos and tools that made us Traders. And with all Engineers being guaranteed tradeskillers, why even have us anymore?

Having a professional whining on the forums about this is worse than all of the other /ragequit threads because you are one step closer to actually being able to do something about it than everyone else.

Either use the position that you volunteered for to help find ways to improve the situation or step down properly & let someone else step up to do your job for you.

[Saetos]

Having a professional whining on the forums about this is worse than all of the other /ragequit threads because you are one step closer to actually being able to do something about it than everyone else.

Either use the position that you volunteered for to help find ways to improve the situation or step down properly & let someone else step up to do your job for you.

I have little connection to the higher-ups past PMs. I'm doing what I can to get my issues out there, I just wanted my views known to more than a select few.

I want answers.

[mainframe]

I doubt FC included anyone in the discussion on whats going to be in this shop its all about what is going to make them money. While I'm not going to rage quit today I'll be sure to find something else to do if I am displeased with whats going in the shop. I can wait til it hits live to do so hehe. But people are displease with how this is starting out and with more still to come its just a bad sign at least for me.

[Lazy]

if they'd actually even consider releasing wrangles in a package people could use during a fight for a free WTF AR BOOST, i will officially sh** my pants k.

next patch: BI graft

[Trgeorge]

Saetos, Means posted in FwM that they are adding mechanics that will cancel buffs from Can upon combat. So this will only cut down on "lf wrangle" cries in OCC/Shoping channels.

As for the rest of your complaints...yes, they stand ground. Our role is vague, our tools are borked/inadequate/useless, with changes to other professions we'll slip down the ladder at endgame even more. But as a professional, that's where you should step in instead of step down.

[Jerusha]

I understand him. I think this is the totally wrong way. No Buff Cans please. Social Interaction is part of every mmorpg and especially AO. I meet a lot of nice people while giving/looking for buffs. All we hear in Future is "buy yourself a buff can"?
Don't cut it for christ sakes.

[Kinkstaah]

hey guys,

IM GOING TO QUIT MY ENFORCER BECAUSE SOLDIERS CAN NOW BUFF PEOPLE WITH ESSENCE!!!!!!!!!

I AM GOING TO QUIT BECAUSE SOMEONE CAN PAY MONEY TO OBTAIN ESSENCE!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AFTER 10 YEARS NOW PEOPLE CAN PAY IRL MONEY TO OBTAIN A BUFF FROM SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME!!!!! AND EVERY SOLDIER CAN DO IT FOR FREE, ESSENCE DEFINES ENFORCERS!!!

Seriously?

[Busata]

I'm sure I'll manage to miss "CAN I HAVE WRANGLE PLS?" & "Target has not enough NCU"

edit: besides, people giving rl money to get buffs in cans? Their wallet, not mine

[crude4gone]

ITs not like traders are the only ones losing some of their uniqueness.

Everyone will be able to check both bank and GMS from wherever.

You can get an item that will meep you into grid. Already theres an item that sort of lets you bypass fixers for fgrid.

[Jerusha]

ITs not like traders are the only ones losing some of their uniqueness.

Everyone will be able to check both bank and GMS from wherever.

You can get an item that will meep you into grid. Already theres an item that sort of lets you bypass fixers for fgrid.

Thats horrible.. making other players obsolete in a mmorpg?

[Humlee]

The fact that a professional feels forced to go by these channels tells how obsolete the entire programme is.

[Kintaii]

No, Saetos just doesn't really like talking to us that much via the 'official channels' - He very rarely posts as a professional to us, or talks to us on the development team in the Professional areas of the forums. He tends to forgo those and brings up issues here instead. =)

[Humlee]

He's not the only prof I know who's complaining that the prof programme is a one way street.

[Kintaii]

Most of the ones I know and speak to on a fairly regular basis seem to think it's working out fine. =) There'll always be some people unhappy with some things; it's just the way it goes. Typically the ones who aren't happy are the ones who are having to wait the longest, and admittedly I can understand that frustration - Being eager to leap into the thick of things and then having to wait your turn is hard, and I can totally understand that. The Professionals who actively work with us and contribute to the discussion/feedback process, however, all seem to be relatively pleased with how the program is going overall. =)

But, that said, no need to continue the derail any further. Let's keep the conversation on Sateos's original post from here on out. =)

[NoGoal]

if they'd actually even consider releasing wrangles in a package people could use during a fight for a free WTF AR BOOST, i will officially sh** my pants k.

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So you can't use it during a fight but it seems that you can use it before it starts. :|

[Kintaii]

Like the FwM thread indicated (and as I've posted elsewhere on the forums) the buff cans have been *made* but are not *finished*, and will not be going into the shop yet. We need additional code support for all the requirement checks we want them to have, and what's there right now hasn't been finalized.

We're not interested in these items being used in a combat situation in any fashion or form, and will be taking steps to prevent that before they go on sale in the store. =)