R.I.P. Traders

[Anarchic1]

Maybe you guys don't comprehend this, but any prof with decent attack rating at tl1 to t5 will alpha an trader while double drained, and the healing amount for traders will be reduced at that range too. So this is ain't balance this is just plain bull destruction of a profession.

And considering I nvr had much trouble with tl7 traders at tl7, I feel pity for those who have tl7 traders.

[Esproc]

Err you mean any prof with more than negative AR?
Only way to do it is kill them BEFORE getting drained. (lawlshutdownskills)
Or get lucky at really low levels with a weapon that procs damage during the few seconds barrow strength effect is active.

Or you could be one of those NR agents, since drains don't affect aimed shot kthnxbai.

[police]

same guys who balance,are now fixing it.
looks promising.

[Gridpain]

Err you mean any prof with more than negative AR?
Only way to do it is kill them BEFORE getting drained. (lawlshutdownskills)

I think you missed the fact this thread is about traders after "rebalance".
Anyone getting in negative AR after 2 drains would deserve to get pwned.

[Esproc]

Ah so that's the fuss then?
That traders cannot survive an opponent with positive AR?
Forbid they have to bother with raising evades >.>
Most of the low level ones I've talked to regard evades as a waste of IP.
"Why bother when drain nanos put an opponent negative anyway."

Reducing the effectiveness was a needed change for low levels.
From some of the pvp videos I've seen, even tl7 traders are capable of putting people into negative AR.

[Anarchic1]

for anyone above lvl 151 u'll only drain 400 ar.... that's less defense than what DoF would provide a trader. Most ppl would have 1.4 to 1.5k after those drains. plenty enough to destroy a trader. So please esproc, who has negative after a trader drains them at t3/4/5?

[Ciex]

Maybe those nanos shouldhave lower nr checks at last if they are so weak. It doesnt really matter if they drain 200 or 300 or 400 as it is to low anyway to evade perks from AR oriented professions but at last there should be a chance to land it. tl5 casters were already hurt with mini hhab implementation, now this crap...

[Molotoff]

for anyone above lvl 151 u'll only drain 400 ar.... that's less defense than what DoF would provide a trader. Most ppl would have 1.4 to 1.5k after those drains. plenty enough to destroy a trader.

How much evades/aad do TL5 traders reach in a usable set-up ?

[Ciex]

It depends what do you mean by "usable". Is a setup with 30s+ AS recharge and ql 225 silverback 50% effective before drains usable one?

[Molotoff]

I don't know, I expect those actively playing TL5 trader twinks to know what can be defined as usable. Maybe I should have said 'common twink setup' or something like that. The idea was to avoid theoritical auno setups with just every single evade/aad item, regardless of it being a good idea or not.

[XenonDe]

I don't know, I expect those actively playing TL5 trader twinks to know what can be defined as usable. Maybe I should have said 'common twink setup' or something like that. The idea was to avoid theoritical auno setups with just every single evade/aad item, regardless of it being a good idea or not.

With the setup Ciekafskys trox trader has in auno I'd guess 150 trader with QU / without Wit running would end up around 1200-1300 dodge range, 1050-1150 evade/duck and 320ish add all def. So around 1520-1620 dodge and 1370-1470 evade/duck.

No idea about viability. Correct me on that.

[Esproc]

for anyone above lvl 151 u'll only drain 400 ar.... that's less defense than what DoF would provide a trader. Most ppl would have 1.4 to 1.5k after those drains. plenty enough to destroy a trader. So please esproc, who has negative after a trader drains them at t3/4/5?

I think we are splitting hairs on what we regard as low levels here.
IMO 151+ is mid levels, not low levels.

HH@B and it's mini version are severely OP items that were "intended" to allow low level toons to compete with higher level casters.
Obviously this was a silly idea, and the items either need to be toned down or have a drawback added.

Since TL7 still seems to manage landing enough drains, likely traders need a nano in between Blunt Defense and Disable Defense.
And probably to setup a bit more aggressively for nano AR over weapon AR.

[Shareida]

Since TL7 still seems to manage landing enough drains, likely traders need a nano in between Blunt Defense and Disable Defense.
And probably to setup a bit more aggressively for nano AR over weapon AR.

Yeah, we will drain them till they bend over and die of shame.

[Drakeep]

With the setup Ciekafskys trox trader has in auno I'd guess 150 trader with QU / without Wit running would end up around 1200-1300 dodge range, 1050-1150 evade/duck and 320ish add all def. So around 1520-1620 dodge and 1370-1470 evade/duck.

No idea about viability. Correct me on that.

These numbers are correct, cept that at tl5 u'll miss IPs do raise duck/exp.

So my trox trader didn't max duckexp (i got 900ish, still pretty a waste considering traders alphas), but maxed NR that varies from 1050-1130 (i howswap stuff), 1100ish evade close and 1260 dodge + wit, add all def was 370 or kinda .

Now my stats will go lower btw, as for the most of traders, after rebalance.

U know strip -> medsuits -> a skill wrangler life (for weird tips, be prepared).

[Anarchic1]

In my finished setup, I got 1950 dodge def with add def calced in. But i have nearly every item for dodge, my evade close and duck is lower. Though as it stands it's very hard to even get my 2nd drain off with minihhab. So I don't see any viablity for traders any more at any twink range.

And i can guarantee enfs will perk me thru double drains. Not much of a defense left at all for traders.

[TronjanHorse]

same guys who balance,are now fixing it.
looks promising.

Does words are totally out of proportion, do you even know that your playing a mmorpg ?

Things that was designed in 2001 doest not mean to be balanced in 2011. When new content
perks and skills are continuously added. Its ok to use your brain before you post such a flaming.

Some people should never play a mmorpg but rather stick to First Person shooter where the
game is 1 time designed and never changed..good luck with that fun for 1 week..

/Prostrate to Funcom

Learn to adept ..

[Drakeep]

In my finished setup, I got 1950 dodge def with add def calced in. But i have nearly every item for dodge, my evade close and duck is lower. Though as it stands it's very hard to even get my 2nd drain off with minihhab. So I don't see any viablity for traders any more at any twink range.

And i can guarantee enfs will perk me thru double drains. Not much of a defense left at all for traders.

When i saw the mini hh@b coming in the game, i stopped my trader at 150, just in time Since having played a 172nt for more that one year, i figured out how traders was supposed to fight against an nt with that op ring on, for not to mention enfos,docs.

At least tl5 nts in off focus, are quite fragile, if u don't go rambo style, and move around in bs with a DD, they cracks quickly. An enfo resisting your drains, that isn't a such remote possibility since they can't reach over 2k nr easily, instead will instagank you even if u are supported by someone else.

Now, thinking to the promises of a bright future that we traders had, and matching em with what we got, im looking at the promises that nt comunity got (real pvp aoe nukes,the wonders of nanoweaving etc..), and im thinking, since we trader are now passive nanobattery, proly nt will became passive healthbattery.

Sincerly lols.

PS: 'we traders ' is a big word, since im QQ

[Anarrina]

Watch the language, people

[Drakeep]

Watch the language, people

This time im innocent!
Or?

[police]

Does words are totally out of proportion, do you even know that your playing a mmorpg ?

Things that was designed in 2001 doest not mean to be balanced in 2011. When new content
perks and skills are continuously added. Its ok to use your brain before you post such a flaming.

Some people should never play a mmorpg but rather stick to First Person shooter where the
game is 1 time designed and never changed..good luck with that fun for 1 week..

/Prostrate to Funcom

Learn to adept ..

someone edited my text to mean something completely different,so if that peep is reading your post maybe he will answer to you and you can chat with him.

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