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Thread: Friday with Means - March 4th, 2011 - Montreal Party Registration

  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by ArienSky View Post
    I find it ironic you write that..
    I can give you the source for the statistics, they are in my local language though..
    Yarkona said that further flame baiting would result in infractions, unless you're flame baiting with statistics then there's nothing to worry about.

    So basically this is a case of you taking something out of context and using it to try and attack the mod(s)/Funcom.

    Furthermore - posting statistics from a Scandinavian country's influenza death rate is irrelevant and is really only useful for distracting people with numbers from the actual useful facts. I'm sure your numbers are correct, but what has the death rate in another country have to do with Canada's?

    Lots of people die from earthquakes and tornados and hurricanes but where I live we don't get any of that so our statistics say nil for them but that doesn't mean that it can't be one of the deadliest things elsewhere.
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  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Rurounin View Post
    Reasonable and legit complaints are fine, but when you repeat yourself like a broken record for months upon months then it's just a form of attentionwhoring, almost none of the complaints are even original, you're just repeating what someone else has already said a dozen times.
    Actually, dear Sir it is you who are repeating yourself like a broken record. We, as in the people who complain have stated very clearly why we are complaining, yet you can't get off of our backs about it and you are doing the same thing over and over and over again no matter how many times we do so and no matter how detailed our motivation is. How rude of you.

    We, the people who are complaining have gotten no such clear answer from FC, in fact what we've gotten is compact silence in our inquiries about the state of the engine, apart from news about how hard everything is and the staff getting sick, moving and that it is being moved up to q2. Maybe. Hopefully. So yes, we are asking again, but unlike you we haven't gotten any answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rurounin View Post
    I'm sure FC get's it already, hell, we all get it! You're frustrated and annoyed, so you do it like any 10-yearold, you cry, put on a deaf ear and then scream. But guess what, your posts are being ignored by the majority, other players are laughing at you and people don't care about what you have to say. All because of to much crying.

    Note: You is intended for all the players that just have to cry every darn week and is in no form directed at any individual player.
    There you go again, making things up, trying to claim that me/us act like 10 year olds just because it suits your genuinly dishonest and empty non existing arguments. I'm amazed that you still think it works. At best it will drag someone down to your level, at worst it will ruin this forum. What a shame that you can't bother to actually respond to what is being said. Instead you resort to simple name calling and lying. Or if you are unable to understand or respond just don't.

    What a shame.
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  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Redesine View Post
    It seems to be getting thrown around quite a lot that people doubted the devs had a flu. Maybe such posts were deleted I don't know. However, if you read back you'll see the first expressions of doubt about anyone having a flu were made by Shadowgod and Anarrina.
    We had a disagreement over the technical definition of "the flu" because it is a very misunderstood illness by the general population. Saying "I had a touch of the flu" is like saying "I'm just a little bit pregnant". If you're offended, I apologize.
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  4. #244
    Did someone mention Peanut Butter Cookies? I think Peanut butter cookies are awesome! In fact I think I might go ahead and make a Peanut Butter Cookie icon for AO and see if I can get it slipped into the game. That would be Awesomer! (More Awesome? Beyond Awesome?)

    Yuppers I think a new food item in-game is a brilliant idea.

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    .. reading this thread is soooo depressing. I demand a lock.

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  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarrina View Post
    We had a disagreement over the technical definition of "the flu" because it is a very misunderstood illness by the general population. Saying "I had a touch of the flu" is like saying "I'm just a little bit pregnant". If you're offended, I apologize.
    No I wasn't offended.

    I just think it's highly unfair for complainers to be called insensitive to the devs' illness when the first (if not only) accusations that people did not have the specific disease they claimed to have was from an ARK and a GM towards players.

    If it is insensitive to argue with someone who says they have the flu, then I can point to where that started in this thread. It wasn't from people asking for more information.

    If it isn't insensitive, then what's the big deal over a few people teasing the devs because they're ill?

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  8. #248
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarrina View Post
    We had a disagreement over the technical definition of "the flu" because it is a very misunderstood illness by the general population. Saying "I had a touch of the flu" is like saying "I'm just a little bit pregnant". If you're offended, I apologize.
    some other ark should give u a warning for that. this is no medical forum and u shouldnt abuse it as one.
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  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Noobius76 View Post
    There you go again, making things up, trying to claim that me/us act like 10 year olds just because it suits your genuinly dishonest and empty non existing arguments. I'm amazed that you still think it works. At best it will drag someone down to your level, at worst it will ruin this forum. What a shame that you can't bother to actually respond to what is being said. Instead you resort to simple name calling and lying. Or if you are unable to understand or respond just don't.

    What a shame.
    Right now it greatly pleases me to see that you assume that I ment you
    I haven't lied, I haven't made anything up and I'm absolutely not dishonest. I'm also not interested in making an argument out of something as silly as this.
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Redesine View Post
    No I wasn't offended.

    I just think it's highly unfair for complainers to be called insensitive to the devs' illness when the first (if not only) accusations that people did not have the specific disease they claimed to have was from an ARK and a GM towards players.
    Its contextual. Because people are dismissive and using their own illness to basically say "pfft, those devs. bunch of wusses." when what they're describing isn't a 104 F fever requiring hospitalization, but a garden-variety cold.

    I haven't slept all night and I'm very tired, so any further discussion on this point can be taken to PMs with me, as I probably need more time to be articulate.
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  12. #252
    Bottom line is that anyone has the right to stay home if they're not well enough to work. And no one has the right to say they should be more ill before they're home or anything of the matter. Bottom line is that the team was pretty much out due to illness, and that's it.

    Buncha crap, this thread.
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  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Ayria View Post
    Yarkona said that further flame baiting would result in infractions, unless you're flame baiting with statistics then there's nothing to worry about.
    Discussing moderation is against the forums rules and Yarkona and I took it to PMs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noobius76 View Post
    We, the people who are complaining have gotten no such clear answer from FC ... apart from news about how hard everything is and the staff getting sick, moving and that it is being moved up to q2.
    This is the part that irritates me the most. While some argue that FC is doing everything in their power to get stuff out I vehemently disagree. Think about how relatively fast they reworked the existing perks. Think about how long it took to actually nerf GTH and BR once they FINALLY decided to do it. Think about how little relative time it took to add an entirely new perkline to Adventurers.

    Now ask yourself how little relative time it should have taken to implement some changes already. Root/snare/mezz duration should already have been nerfed. Boss calms should have been removed. Enfo taunts could have been cut back already. Nemesis nanos should have been removed until a complete rework. Hots could already have been adjusted, etc etc ad nauseum.

    Guess how much of that relatively simple stuff that has been planned has been implemented already?
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Sephiroth56 View Post
    Bottom line is that anyone has the right to stay home if they're not well enough to work. And no one has the right to say they should be more ill before they're home or anything of the matter. Bottom line is that the team was pretty much out due to illness, and that's it.

    Buncha crap, this thread.
    I just read this thread from the beginning. And nobody (yes, NOBODY) of the so-called 'haters' claimed that people should work when they're sick. There was some different opinions about the seriousness of the flu and i think it's because the word 'flu' is used a bit differently in different countries. In some places (like where i live for example) 'cold' is also commonly called 'flu' while in reality they're completely different things. Influenza is always serious, but still i know hundreds of people who's survived it, and none that died. I do know several people who died in traffic accidents. And pretty much everyone drives a car (or takes a cab/bus/train etc) every day.

    All the fighting actually started when some of the 'fanbois' (for the lack of better term) started really ATTACKING the guys who are disappointed that there's still no news, and even that 'sneak peek' to some new stuff that was promised in last weeks FwM, weren't there.

    I don't think anyone was complaining that the dev's are sick or telling that they should work despite they're sick.

    You have to understand that the discussion from last weeks FwM thread always carries over to the newest thread. So it's basically same conversation continuing, and because still after years/months/weeks of waiting, most of the valid conserns/questions remain unanswered. Thats why people are disappointed.

    And BTW, in-game, when someone refers to this thread, it's very often named "Friday With Excuses" - i wonder why...

    I do think that dev team being sick is a valid reason to postpone stuff. But this postponing stuff has happened for over three years now. Personally i'm too tired to wait (and pay) for the new stuff. I don't want the new engine because of the graphics. I want more people to play with. This Single player Online RPG -thing we have going on sucks big time. And i do think the new engine would bring new players and old timers back to AO. I do love the game. I'm just sick and tired of seeing excuses after excuses. If i postponed my work deadlines continuously week after week, i would've been unemployed for ages by now.

    I'm also sick and tired of all the 'fanbois' jumping on everyone who disagrees with anything the allmighty AO staff does. Constructive critisism is good. Fanboyism isn't.

    You do understand that one big reason why some people sound offending in the forums is poor english skills. When english ain't your native language, the politeness gets often lost when you try to make yourself understood somehow in a foreign language.

    I know that i could write my conserns and beef's with the current direction of AO (and it's dev team) a lot more politely if i could do it in finnish. But i'm also sure that if i would write a novel in finnish to this thread, pretty much nobody else would understand it, and i would get infracted, and the post gets moderated out. So I have to try my best with my poor english skills... If it sounds too offensive for some people, i'm sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeliniyah View Post
    You do understand that one big reason why some people sound offending in the forums is poor english skills. When english ain't your native language, the politeness gets often lost when you try to make yourself understood somehow in a foreign language.
    Like when I was trying to explain the meaning of "resfriado", "gripe" and "virose" with the respective translation to english, which is "cold" (just discovered this week), "flu" and <no translation avaliable>; and I was attacked by Anarrina saying I was wrong (in my own native language, wtf?)

    I felt so offended that I had to breath, count to 10 and post a joke-ish post or i would explode.
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  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeliniyah View Post
    I just read this thread from the beginning. And nobody (yes, NOBODY) of the so-called 'haters' claimed that people should work when they're sick.
    You must've missed this post then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kopecz View Post
    if AN ENTIRE STAFF CAUGHT SOME VIRULENT VIRUS STRAIN I'd want a damn good explanation for why work wasn't completed.
    Edit: And yeah, Kopecz was aiming that @ the AO dev team.
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  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by lainbr View Post
    Like when I was trying to explain the meaning of "resfriado", "gripe" and "virose" with the respective translation to english, which is "cold" (just discovered this week), "flu" and <no translation avaliable>; and I was attacked by Anarrina saying I was wrong (in my own native language, wtf?)

    I felt so offended that I had to breath, count to 10 and post a joke-ish post or i would explode.
    lol i got infraction points from kintai, disagreeing with anarinna is being sexist which is funny considering she has such a condescending and elitist attitude to anywho who disagrees with her.
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  18. #258

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    Quote Originally Posted by agentwolve View Post
    lol i got infraction points from kintai, disagreeing with anarinna is being sexist which is funny considering she has such a condescending and elitist attitude to anywho who disagrees with her.
    No, THIS is sexist:
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    You remind me of female police officers, were a fraction of power shoots to their head's.
    And that's what got you infracted. You can argue all you want (even if you're wrong) - Saying an entire gender is unfit for a profession due to some perceived bias in your own mind, though, doesn't fly with me, particularly given that I not only know but have family friends who are female police officers.

    Either way this particular branch of conversation is closed - You know better than to discuss moderation.
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  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by agentwolve View Post
    Edited by me, to save trouble later.
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  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Demoder View Post
    Edit: And yeah, Kopecz was aiming that @ the AO dev team.
    I'm sorry, where does that quote say I said they should have been working? Even if the dev team hadn't been sick, of which I've never said I didn't think any of them were sick and/or lying about being sick, just the number of people sick, there would have been some other excuse given by Means as to why we have no information, yet again, this week.

    And just so I make sure you understand, I'll say this one more time since no one seems to be getting it: the likelihood of

    every

    single

    member

    of the dev team

    being sick with influenza during the

    exact

    same

    seven day period and coming back to work on Monday

    is so statistically unlikely as to border on improbable. And I challenge you to prove me otherwise since as far as I know eastern Canada is not experiencing an influenza epidemic atm.
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