Soldier AMS/TMS Balance!!!

[jutlin]

What would really balance this game is if soldiers had their defensive procs perk based instead of nano based. Why should advy, enfo, keepers, shades, fixer and ma's all have their defenses tied to perks, but soldiers have to rely on nano skills?

Perk TMS/AMS ftw!!!!

Then soldiers could go notum repulsor and goodbye all you pita traders!!!!!

Balance should be fair, defense should be perk based, soldier love!

[Otansaanpas]

so much froob love in the air..

[lainbr]

so much froob love in the air..

I was wondering... Afroob soldier w/o TMS...

[Armus]

I was wondering... Afroob soldier w/o TMS...

Sorta like an advie without limber/dof/coon/regrowth!

[ThatsNotMyName]

this means agents should have a ch perk too!!!!

[lainbr]

Sorta like an advie without limber/dof/coon/regrowth!

Fr00b advs can survive fr00b content... No tms'd fr00b solja... sometimes dont.

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What would really balance this game

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Then soldiers could go notum repulsor

Funny how soldiers in particular tend to think that good balance involves everyone getting slaughtered by soldiers.

[Armus]

Funny how soldiers in particular tend to think that good balance involves everyone getting slaughtered by soldiers.

Let's examine that statement and see how many classes that actually do get slaughtered by soldiers.

I can only speak from my own experience ofcourse. I have a 220/70/30 solitus soldier, with phat contracts and towers and I use assault rifle.

Fix
MA
Advie
Engi
NT

Those are classes that will win every single time if they know what they are doing and have an equal setup.
So.. no slaughtering here.


Trader
Agent
Enf
Crat
Shade
Doc

These classes either have a good chance of tanking the soldier, draining him into uselessness, alphaing him or just plain root and run away.
Either way, no slaughtering here.



Mp
Keeper

These classes have a very poor chance vs soldier because they have virtually no cc and they just can't outheal soldier dd. And their run speed isn't exactly stellar either. There are some very good mp's though that can give me a run for my money. But in general IF the fight isn't mobile a good soldier will kill these two classes most of the time.


So. I don't see where you are getting your info from. Soldiers are good in NW blob type of pvp situations or meatgrinder type of battlestatio scenarios. But they certainly aren't the slaughterer of any class. Except maybe a keeper or a non shield mp.

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The OP wants to be able to AMS with notum repulsor fully perked and thinks this will bring balance. This is the position you are apparently defending.

[jutlin]

It can be a short duration perk.

Froobs can keep the nanos.

[Weltall]

I want a perk that reduces reflects by 50% gief plz

[jutlin]

I see your reflect reducing perk and raise you a drain reducing perk.

[Mastablasta]

Soldiers suck they need love!

[Armus]

The OP wants to be able to AMS with notum repulsor fully perked and thinks this will bring balance. This is the position you are apparently defending.

Assuming that was at least partly intended for me, where did I say I was "defending" his idea?
If you could just be friendly enough to point me to where I do that, then I would be happy to answer your question, Sir.

[Gunfytr]

For the record, I do not support the OP.

[Worldofalts]

soldiers are awsome, Brah! just learn to play them, and learn to time your toolkit/hurt-matrix right for the easy kills.

and uh, no to original post.

fyi, soldiers are best played in a bully mentality. kick people while they are down, and set yourself up with a barrage or stuns, damage perks, specials and a can of whoopass in case they are still breathing. also, make sure you have your attack rating cranked (more the better) for guaranteed pain delivery. playing like you're Arnold will get you killed. playing like you're Kramer is surprisingly fun and will bring much success in killing those so-called "impossible kills."

cheers

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Assuming that was at least partly intended for me, where did I say I was "defending" his idea?
If you could just be friendly enough to point me to where I do that, then I would be happy to answer your question, Sir.

You responded to my post which responded to the OP. You took a view that opposed mine. Granted, what you wrote did not really follow my post very well, however, I do not enjoy it when specific and pointed conversations are blown up into long, open, rambling and pointless arguments which cover a multitude of topics and are guarenteed to lead nowhere. This is why I did not respond to the bulk of your largely irrelevant post, but simply interpreted it as opposing my post, which pointed out how ludicrous the OP was.

Reading my own post here, it seems hostile in tone. That's not my intention.

[Armus]

You responded to my post which responded to the OP. You took a view that opposed mine. Granted, what you wrote did not really follow my post very well, however, I do not enjoy it when specific and pointed conversations are blown up into long, open, rambling and pointless arguments which cover a multitude of topics and are guarenteed to lead nowhere. This is why I did not respond to the bulk of your largely irrelevant post, but simply interpreted it as opposing my post, which pointed out how ludicrous the OP was.

Reading my own post here, it seems hostile in tone. That's not my intention.

I was responding to you flat out saying that people that play soldiers want to be able to slaughter every class. I'll quote you again:

Funny how soldiers in particular tend to think that good balance involves everyone getting slaughtered by soldiers.

I then proceeded to give my view and experience playing soldier. Which condensed would be that soldiers work well in true mass pvp situations such as blob NW and in very high population BS.
But, and there is a big but. We all know that neither happens very frequently. In small skirmish pvp situations or 1 vs 1 ish situations (not talking about duels now) soldiers don't really "own" any class simply because if you can't tank a soldier you can root him and get away long enough to come down when ams/tms is down. Or you can debuff his attack rating into tl5 territory.

Personally I think soldiers are okay now that BR got adjusted. Still unplayable if there are a few engies in bs but hey, it's easy to leave.
What I'm fed up with is ppl who play advies, engies, nt's and whatnot claiming that soldiers are OP and sooooo easy to play. Soldiers aren't even in the top 5 except for nw/tara and I wish ppl would stop claiming otherwise without giving any base whatsoever to those claims.

[Scottik]

What would really balance this game is if soldiers had their defensive procs perk based instead of nano based. Why should advy, enfo, keepers, shades, fixer and ma's all have their defenses tied to perks, but soldiers have to rely on nano skills?

Although your post prolly isn't meant to be taken serious I still have to say that except for keepers none of the profs above have ALL their defenses tied to perks. And even keepers need high nanoskills to cast their top defensive auras. So much for this argument.

[Otansaanpas]

I was responding to you flat out saying that people that play soldiers want to be able to slaughter every class.

how is "what soldiers are doing now" contradiction to "soldiers want to slaughter everyone" ?

2 different things and both can be true at the same time.