DB3 second floor... again

[MajorOutage]

Scheol is easily the best and most well made pf in sl imo.

I love scheol too, but there's a million ways to get stuck there and it's just so under-utilized in general, I can understand why people treat it like the redheaded stepchild.

[Canibaal]

so back to topic, did anyone try db3 2nd floor after last patch and cleared it successfully? If yes, any tips you might wanna share?

[Novaelis]

sadly, no.

we tryed different tactics, but even when someone finally managed to undersdand some "logic" in flames cycle, we chain wiped with the dots/flames.
don't ask me the how to do, i was just too busy at following orders like move to square, move to circle, jump around, (a step to the left... ) and staying alive while pewpewing.

i can understand there was a unintended safe place and that was almost an exploit, making this floor ultra easy... but seriously, we need a new fix !
4th floor and 6th floor are FAR easyer than 2nd one... there is something wrong with that floor.

that fix killed DB3, since players keeps chain wiping and don't even have fun, they just ignore this place. good luck to find a team now...

[RedWatr]

so far my experience with DB3 in 4 days of resubing has been hopelessly finding nobody that even wants or needs to do it again. my bad, i should have been in on the magic first week.

[Mastablasta]

What about the whining about how stuff should never be rare? That's all you get if you don't put everything as a secure drop for the first time you win. Then if it's rare stuff, you get nothing but whining about how it takes forever and ever to get anything.

[Canibaal]

bah i should have farmed more before patch, i got almost all utils except creator on doc;p and helm on shade;(

[lainbr]

What about the whining about how stuff should never be rare? That's all you get if you don't put everything as a secure drop for the first time you win. Then if it's rare stuff, you get nothing but whining about how it takes forever and ever to get anything.

We are actually complaining how the warning small flames actually instakills you instead of just.... warns. We are saying that 2nd floor is harder than 4th and 6th, which makes no sense. Nobody here is whining about rare stuff. Sorry.

[Nanofat]

What about the whining about how stuff should never be rare? That's all you get if you don't put everything as a secure drop for the first time you win. Then if it's rare stuff, you get nothing but whining about how it takes forever and ever to get anything.

You can make something rare by reducing its droprate - or making a raid take a long time to complete; or many people.

Repeatedly roasting people alive in an instance where a moments lag can cost you everything - until they give up out of frustration has to be up in the top-10 bad FC gameplay ideas.

DB3 should be hard; yes - but Death is one of the most harsh punishments you can deal out in AO because of the lack of player-ressurection and res sickness. It is probably thing most likley to demoralize players.
Die more than say; 5 times in a row and soon your brain switches to: "this must be broken, they can't have meant for it to be this hard/unfun? - i'll come back later once its fixed".

And presto - everyone who didn't get their stuff in the golden week is now in a holding pattern until some future patchnotes says "DB3 Room 2 Improvements".

If FC wanted to be cruel - they could put that text in the next patch notes without actually making any changes i promise hundreds of teams would run headlong into the flames to see if they really did "Fix" it.
The people are there - but nobody wants to look a fool/waste an evening burning alive.

[LyraJ]

The people are there - but nobody wants to look a fool/waste an evening burning alive.

This is what I'm seeing - it's reached the point where no one can convince anyone in any bot I'm on to try any longer. We've spent too much time chain dying for 5+ hours. Since most of us have limited play time we have to give up time we could be doing other stuff. Frankly, it's not worth it. Doesn't matter what fabulous loot we're missing out on - it's just not worth the frustration when we could be having fun doing raids elsewhere.

[RedWatr]

rarity is awesome, I'm all for it. but rare means RARE, not impossible to accomplish because most people already achieved the reward for little risk, and now it's just not worth doing.

they need to stop releasing content (that I assume they worked very hard on) just to have it smashed within a week, without proper testing, and if they can't test it properly, withhold the rewards for a week, and we'll work it out. give buffs as a reward, or some social, whatever, but this type of live testing should have stopped with the collector fiasco.

[MajorOutage]

[Im]patiently waiting for next patch here...

[thombgun10]

The most concerning to me is that during the testevent on testlive i allready highlighted this particular exploit aswell as the flames instakilling problem directly to means in a tell, trough forum Private Message, by useing /bug command but i think it bugged since it didnt give me any reply (might also have been screwed up settings not showing me error messages somehow, since my testlive install was abit quirky at the time) and i send a email about it aswell to make sure the results where known incase previous methods failed.

Not to mention the oversight that they named someone else on the "2nd team that came close" only because for the last bit i really had to go offline (1:30 in the night) and someone joined for those last couple minutes got mentioned instead which is just another bitter pill to swallow.

Regardless i didnt do it to be named, just to try it and get a taste of some more direct involvement on testlive events instead of just useing it to show devs / gm's particular things that are hard to reproduce on live without some serious bad consequences.

Im very pleased to see they got almost all of the other things i mailed them and showed them fixed except one little thing but im sure they are going to get that one aswell once they get to it, so overall they still get a good track record but just a thumbs down for this particular instance handling these particular 2 problems.

[Dukelewis87]

that fix killed DB3, since players keeps chain wiping and don't even have fun, they just ignore this place. good luck to find a team now...

Good luck to find a team at all enless ur devote 1-3 hrs /lft just for a (50% prob fail) inf/pande/collector/db3 team.

Btw since they changed alot of mobs -inits is beast/collector still 3-4man possible

[Dukelewis87]

[Im]patiently waiting for next patch here...

Might be waiting awhile.... We waited several months for this past 1 update + 1 fix

So strung around they can't keep track of anything...

[Canibaal]

Might be waiting awhile.... We waited several months for this past 1 update + 1 fix

So strung around they can't keep track of anything...

Its not a visual bug or typo mistake rather its a major BUG in their latest release of new instance which is completely failing the primary purpose of release. Any half descent company would have reverted the changes to make the instance at least playable without continuously wiping teams. If they want to make it hard, it should be done in a controlled environment on test servers not on production live servers.

[Novaelis]

What about the whining about how stuff should never be rare? That's all you get if you don't put everything as a secure drop for the first time you win. Then if it's rare stuff, you get nothing but whining about how it takes forever and ever to get anything.

well some utils 3 looks really nice and sexy for some professions, but items like bracer aren't that uber considering the difficulty to get it.

compare with DB2 bracer who can be farmed in a day or two, maybe less, and offering much higher mods... (i'm not asking more abilities, just pointing the fact this bracer is far harder to get for a really lower boost.
maybe FC should raise some modifiers, like more HPs and 4% heal efficiency and nano damage to make it really interesting, or most of players will keep their albtraum masterpiece one.)

i agree for the "rare" part, but there are already too many "rare craps" ingame, i'm not sure we need more of these "collectors".

rare phatz, yes, i'm sure most of us wants something to make us dreaming again, like boc or acdc used to.

[Le-Quack]

LOLWAT

Scheol is literally the worst pf in the game wtf

I'd rather be in rome :S and rome sucks tnx

so you say Scheol isnt a nice made pf? or you mean scheol sucks becose its nothing to do there? thats 2 diffrent things.

i also agree witht hat Scheol is the nicest play field funcom ever made, sucks they dont have anything to do there.

also addonis is a werry nice place on the green fields witht he broken city

i wish i could level is such enviroments more often at 200-220

[Manicmouse]

The Scheol quest rewards ding you from 218 to 220 so Scheol ftw

[MajorOutage]

Might be waiting awhile.... We waited several months for this past 1 update + 1 fix

Huh?
DB3 went live Sept 26th. Patched again once the same day. Then last patch was the 13th. It's not even one whole month yet. lol.

maybe FC should raise some modifiers, like more HPs and 4% heal efficiency and nano damage to make it really interesting, or most of players will keep their albtraum masterpiece one.)

Personally, I think we have enough definitively OP gear and having to make a conscious decision between a few different items is the better way to go.

[Obtena]

The Scheol quest rewards ding you from 218 to 220 so Scheol ftw

Thanks for the reminder. Good XP on that quest and reasonable for a 218 toon to complete it. 220 with full research here I come.