Friday with Means - October 28th, 2011 - Happy Halloween!

[erozc]

So, years after the introduction of bounties to S10, someone finally notices the area is not being "used as intended". Better late than never?

[Manicmouse]

I dare you to present one single other indicator of inflation than prices rising.

Hey I'm not here to write an essay, just to troll!

[Chrys]

Its also cannot ever be called as inflation. Inflation is when prices of (almost) everything skyrocket. Only 4 items had this effect: iGoC, Supple armors (CC and CSS), Inf Boots and HHaB. Inf Boots and HHaB cause their supple is running low, since they are all being turned into nodrop rings. iGoC and Supple? Lets say that a ceirtain player bought then all when they was 400M'ish and resold at higher price.

i bought my first goc for 90m back before igocs were invented and most people said lol overpriced xD

[Anna]

Personally I am glad bounties were removed. All of the problems cited in the original post, I have had happen to me. So from my perspecitve an excellent move.

As far as new better equipment for new players I think there might be a simple solution although implementing it would require some thought. There is a lot of specialy armor (mantis, junk metal, dragon, cyborg death squad, merc, Lions, etc) and dyna weapons Manix, Div-9s, X-3, etc.) that are not bad. Just not up to current standards. Perhaps a "general upgrade to make this old school equipment more in line with current expectations would allow new (and froob) players to have decent equipment/weapons available at all levels without driving a lot of development cost. If there are holes in the weapons/equipment for a specific profession, it sould be relatively easy to add profession specific armor (or take the profession limits off existing armor).

Please do not go the path taken on the weapons upgrades as that was notably unsuccessful. Rather just do a general improvement to make the old school items more comperable to newer equipment.

Still like the change

[Tazalanche]

How long will the Halloween festivities last this year?

Can we please get an official word on the earliest that they will be removed?

[Lheann]

Hmm, so all the high cost talk or a lot of it is about AI armor.

My suggestion. Nuke AI armor by making it no better than Tier armor. Hmm bot farming would go WAY down. Less ICE would be needed. New players would not see 800M for a piece of armor anymore as Tier can be farmed fairly easy with a little help.

This would make Miy's a very viable armor and we all know Miy's drops pretty well if you actually take the time to go hunt the right mobs.

Don't care if people think it is a crappy idea. AI armor is over powered in many ways and nuking it now before the rush of new players would be a good time to do it.

It would also have the effect of changing what weapons players could twink on toons and might just force some new configs to appear.

Anyway, if FC is in the mood to keep players pissed for a month or so longer then please nuke AI armor and remove a constant complaint about high price "must have" (which it is not) armor.

[Cyclotol]

Hmm, so all the high cost talk or a lot of it is about AI armor.

My suggestion. Nuke AI armor by making it no better than Tier armor. Hmm bot farming would go WAY down. Less ICE would be needed. New players would not see 800M for a piece of armor anymore as Tier can be farmed fairly easy with a little help.

This would make Miy's a very viable armor and we all know Miy's drops pretty well if you actually take the time to go hunt the right mobs.

Don't care if people think it is a crappy idea. AI armor is over powered in many ways and nuking it now before the rush of new players would be a good time to do it.

It would also have the effect of changing what weapons players could twink on toons and might just force some new configs to appear.

Anyway, if FC is in the mood to keep players pissed for a month or so longer then please nuke AI armor and remove a constant complaint about high price "must have" (which it is not) armor.

Lheann, I love this I agree 100%

there are so many things that could be tweaked and adjusted with the old classic RK items and weapons

P.S Be prepared to have a fan following in game now as i do, they are a friendly bunch that send notes of appreciation and admiration in the form of hate tells

[Xephonics]

or make a 4th level of tier, that is comparable to AI armor.

[Aeliniyah]

Or increase leadbot droprates. That would lower the prices and everyone would be happy.

[Tanisthonus]

They don't? I guess if "make credits" you mean wholesale, constant creditfarming, then no.

Oh, yeah, totally meant "Credits in large numbers." I've finally got a bit over 10mil, and I'm happy as a clam!

[drainbamage]

My suggestion. Nuke AI armor by making it no better than Tier armor. Hmm bot farming would go WAY down. Less ICE would be needed. New players would not see 800M for a piece of armor anymore as Tier can be farmed fairly easy with a little help.

Or increase leadbot droprates. That would lower the prices and everyone would be happy.

Do both IMO

[candle-645]

or make a 4th level of tier, that is comparable to AI armor.

Penultimate OFAB is Tier 4 already actually

[Hanavald]

Tier armor can be farmed easily - now. You obviously have no idea how things looked when Tier was in fact, commonly used armor.

Very few things have scared away more newcomers from this game then having to compete against 5 concealed Agents for FRN from Ely dryads.

[Lheann]

or make a 4th level of tier, that is comparable to AI armor.

No no no. We don't need more super powered items in the game. I am a strong hater of adding more and more items that just top the last bunch. And making a Tier 4 would require all the work to adding places to farm the items for it. Nuking AI armor is a much easier fix for the dev team.

[Siyra]

i bought my first goc for 90m back before igocs were invented and most people said lol overpriced xD

Well but that's the thing, people always complain it's overpriced. I've heard people say that for a bottle of Pepsi.

The price increase is due to the demand increase, not the overal credit supply.

@drainbamage: I believe it is quite easy enough to get to S10 and be competative therein in order to become part of the subset generating money. Granted not every newb could get there, but it was certainly a better motivator to keep playing then it is now.

If a newb (not an alt, a newb) is playing the game and wants to know how to afford some of the greatest armour out there being told that it's only really useful at level 150+ and then once you get there you can get the money for it yourself fairly quickly chances are they'd stick around to check it out.

That's certainly more motivation to me to keep playing then: Oh ya... there's no point in striving for that because you'll have to grind out months of stuff just to get enough money to buy one thing. And no whining cause "thats the proper way to play".

[Alternity]

Tier armor can be farmed easily - now. You obviously have no idea how things looked when Tier was in fact, commonly used armor.

Very few things have scared away more newcomers from this game then having to compete against 5 concealed Agents for FRN from Ely dryads.

Could make 500-1000mil per day doing that, good times

[Xephonics]

No no no. We don't need more super powered items in the game. I am a strong hater of adding more and more items that just top the last bunch. And making a Tier 4 would require all the work to adding places to farm the items for it. Nuking AI armor is a much easier fix for the dev team.

I'm not a fan of making it harder to solo/duo/trio content when there are less people to play with...

And nuking the good armor would do just that.

[drainbamage]

@drainbamage: I believe it is quite easy enough to get to S10 and be competative therein in order to become part of the subset generating money. Granted not every newb could get there, but it was certainly a better motivator to keep playing then it is now.

If a newb (not an alt, a newb) is playing the game and wants to know how to afford some of the greatest armour out there being told that it's only really useful at level 150+ and then once you get there you can get the money for it yourself fairly quickly chances are they'd stick around to check it out.

That's rather dubious reasoning to me. I could ask how many people quit in frustration because they felt that they had to stay at 150 indefinitely. Parking your character and farming for credits does not seem like very compelling gameplay to me.

And frankly, I don't think the greatest armour out there should be bought at all.

That's certainly more motivation to me to keep playing then: Oh ya... there's no point in striving for that because you'll have to grind out months of stuff just to get enough money to buy one thing. And no whining cause "thats the proper way to play".

I've been a pretty strong supporter for easier access to better gear for players that are new and/or poor, so I'm not sure what your point is here.

[SoapTarder]

So, years after the introduction of bounties to S10, someone finally notices the area is not being "used as intended". Better late than never?

yeah lol. better to BS people than to admit a mistake.

people have been talking about s10 bounties on these forums as long as they have existed, and discussing twinks and farming of zee bounties. if they really just did notice s10 not being used as intended recently, then we should all be scared O.O

[Shareida]

I thank Crys for explaining what I attempted to explain to the rest of the crowd.

My business English isn't so good.