Friday with Means - October 28th, 2011 - Happy Halloween!

[SoapTarder]

was funny, had this thread and ingot thread open at the same time... started reading ingot thread and forgot it wasn't this thread. good stuff. nothin better than a time capsule to remind you that nothing ever changes.

[Hanavald]

Deflation does not exist in MMO markets.

[Siyra]

Deflation does not exist in MMO markets.

Not so long as the people in charge let themselves be influenced by those who think that simply removing income is the solution.

The ingot thread shows this all to clearly, shows that Funcom has done this before - removed what they saw as to large an income source in the.. hope?.. that it would deflate the market. And now look, here we are again, doing the same thing with the same hopes while the same problem lies in the background being ignored.

[Lheann]

So today I decided to look at other options to make credits that newer players pre-220 might try. The almighty team mission was a let down. A 198 team mission offered 57-80K depending on just how far you had to travel. Hello a 150 can make that in minutes (one pearl uncut exactly) farming say "Under the Rock" in Nasc for lowbie pearls. But at 150 with help and serious time expended that 57-80K plus there part of the loot if they are lucky is what 200K for 30 minutes to 1 hour of their effort. Solo RK missions are same story.

So it comes down to farming RK dyna bosses that are green/gray for rare nano's to sell in a player shop or on the shopping channel (haha!) for decent credits. Of course as the population gets smaller this becomes less of a market.

I refuse to say basic armor is an option just because everyone will be doing it and frankly I can get two suppliers to bid each other down most nights simply by asking in chat for a set and then bidding them against each other. When more folks have sets to sell it will be even cheaper.

I still think bounties being removed was good thing. But given the state of prices and the high cost of owning a city, new players and the orgs they create will have a challenge ahead of them.

But consider this the buy a stack of 25 new stims it cost almost more than the team mission pays. So if you are not top notch and heal with stims a good bit the team missions and solo mission could become loss leaders. A reminder to FC, at launch stims sold in stacks of 5 and it was a loss leader use them. That is why today they were in stacks of 25. So that you could use them and in the time you used up a stack of them you had more than needed to replace them. I think that is in the 12.2 or 12.3 patch notes if you want to go digging for change.

Just saying right now FC has us in a messy state. I sure am hoping the rest of the changes come faster than rebalance and engine.

[Pomidor]

There are options to gain money - still in game. But some reuires time, others effort. Said basic Armor - good profit, since ppl pay 30-35M for set (saw today shopping channels few times with such price). ICE is profit also (20M per bag), there are mentioned nanos from Dyna, and, whats important, regular nanos (basicly, I see that enf/doc nanos are rare item in player shop, which makes them worth somethimers more then regullar: Mongo Crush! for 15M went in matter of minutes, also Behe and CS was sold for 5M - so, there is demand, it sets a price). There are also mentioned missions+loot. Ql 200 mish gives around 2.5M of junk loot, somethimes more if you are lucky. Besides this one there are AI spawns in City and, tbh various other metods to make money. Myself never was in Sector10, I dont farm statics for Improved Nanos - I do missions+AI spawns+ some services (Foremans, shopping for other factions, farming some stuff here and there) It gives me stable profit daily for 1hr of work, which is fine for me.

[Chrys]

But consider this the buy a stack of 25 new stims it cost almost more than the team mission pays. So if you are not top notch and heal with stims a good bit the team missions and solo mission could become loss leaders. A reminder to FC, at launch stims sold in stacks of 5 and it was a loss leader use them. That is why today they were in stacks of 25. So that you could use them and in the time you used up a stack of them you had more than needed to replace them. I think that is in the 12.2 or 12.3 patch notes if you want to go digging for change.

or you could invite a MP into your team :'(

[Chrys]

PS. best part of that thread is that I think only a few of the posters still play.

No the best part of that thread shows the demographic shift in AO of people playing for fun > people playing for $$$$

[Xephonics]

No the best part of that thread shows the demographic shift in AO of people playing for fun > people playing for $$$$

so grinding the same content over and over for endgame gear drops is more fun than grinding the same content over and over to get money to buy it? Seems about the same to me. Except you don't (didn't) have to wait for hours/days to get a team to grind the money.

[Obtena]

No the best part of that thread shows the demographic shift in AO of people playing for fun > people playing for $$$$

I think you're just kidding yourself ... people were just as desperate to make credits then as they are now. I don't feel that the excitement expressed in that thread are from people that only played for fun ... alot of that was from people that expected some dramatic change in the economy when the ingots were removed to something more like pre-SL levels. It never happened. Maybe that would be more true pre-SL, but at that point, it was the same then as it is now ... get credits, level up ASAP and equip endgame.

[Chrys]

I dunno, I remember NT ingot farmers being hounded on the brinks or slammed on the forums back in the day. There was certainly a different attitude towards playing-for-profit then

[Docaholic]

A small note about AO and credit farming,.. did you know that the SL Pearls now work properly, and when 'Cut' their value increases significantly? It used to be that a Pearl, 'Uncut' worth 250k credits dropped to like 6500c after it was cut. That same Pearl now is closer to 650k credits when cut.

Just thought I'd point out this 'fixed' source of credit farming.

Cheers!

P.S. while farming SL dungeons for pearls, you may also run across "Weird Looking" nanos in chests and some can be very valuable.

[Redbar]

So today I decided to look at other options to make credits that newer players pre-220 might try. The almighty team mission was a let down. A 198 team mission offered 57-80K depending on just how far you had to travel.

That's just the mission reward, right? The trick is to kill the boss, loot all the trash he drops, and vendor it at your favourite shop terminal. From back when I was running CRU missions, I seem to recall that the trash loot from a high-ish level boss can easily net you 500k to a mill.
(and there's the chance for CRU, which may or may not regain some of its old value if ICE stays out of S10).

[Anarrina]

OK, after just having read through seventeen pages back and forth on the same issue, I'd say you have beaten this dead horse into the ground, and there are now maggots flying through the air. Give it a rest already.

[Lheann]

That's just the mission reward, right? The trick is to kill the boss, loot all the trash he drops, and vendor it at your favourite shop terminal. From back when I was running CRU missions, I seem to recall that the trash loot from a high-ish level boss can easily net you 500k to a mill.
(and there's the chance for CRU, which may or may not regain some of its old value if ICE stays out of S10).

Well early in this thread it was suggested "blitzing" team missions for CRU. In that case the mission reward matters a great deal. Since that reward and the CRU sale is all the credits you really can count on. Boss loot value is completely random and have I had bosses drop less than 50k in junk. I was looking at the reward as a "guarenteed payment" for my effort of blitzing. As you said CRU is only a chance. So there is a good change that a blitz run will net 100k credits or so.

Anyway you cut it. We have to work for credits now and since my org gives up 157m a month in city rent we have a bit more work than others. We are clearly doing our part of sending credits out of the system at that rent rate.

[LyraJ]

I still haven't seen an answer on how long Halloween will be up this year - or if there was one I missed it in the 17 pages.

[Anarrina]

Take the rest of the discussion to this thread.. Keep it to suggestions and not complaints. Last warning.

[Tazalanche]

I still haven't seen an answer on how long Halloween will be up this year - or if there was one I missed it in the 17 pages.

You're not the only one waiting for an answer. I've been asking for over a week now, with no response.

[Anarrina]

Just stop. Asking you to stop one argument was not an invitation to start another. Questions are allowed. Just let it go already.

[Hanavald]

I dunno, I remember NT ingot farmers being hounded on the brinks or slammed on the forums back in the day. There was certainly a different attitude towards playing-for-profit then

Yeah. But that's just because there's nothing else to do.

[Alternity]

Can I have cake nao?!