Thread: Monthly Development Update - 2nd April 2014

  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Lheann View Post
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  2. #242
    Thank you Macrosun for posting your thoughts on the matter. I appreciate the effort even if its your own personal viewpoint. I really do. Thanks for being on top of this.

    I do not however agree that the cancellations are not going to prove anything. It will prove that AO although had a fantastic run, and that's why walking away from it will be bitter. It might not have been your fault either. I've good things about the efforts you personally put in game, and could even say the additions you made I had a good deal amount of fun experiencing.

    But, I've been the last rat on so many sinking ships IRL and otherwise that I know what the signs are. Its usually not any one person's fault, but the fault of how things were managed in total. FC and their products has never not known a time to be sketchy in some way, and this is how karma collects. You can throw numbers on a spreadsheet all day and that still wont be enough detail to describe how these things rise and fall. But one thing IS for certain and that as a business money does talk. So let it talk.

    This is just one of the problems in a long grey line of issues that lead way back to the beginning of this game. It wont be multiboxing that kills AO, as its just one symptom of a greater problem. That problem is that when one and/or two people ( who are well known to do so) exploit the hell out of a game for the sake of personal amusement or convenience comes along it can easily snowball out of control. This game is attractive to competitive types, so basically through inaction you're actually aiding the problem.

    So if a moral solution won't be discussed, then all that's left is a financial one.
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  3. #243
    Yeah, cancellations not proving anything, hm, i wonder about the timing of this new found poll.
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  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Freor View Post
    Without having deep backgroud knowledge how the automation softwares work, and partly based on reading suggestions made in the last 6 months, various solutions that might help:

    - Don't allow AO window to take keyboard commands if the window doesn't have focus (and/or demand focus for at least say 0.1 secs for cmds to work). Can be applied to PVP only (25% or lower gas).

    - Disallow multiple connections from same IP address when entering 25% or lower gas. Alternatively, use the "entering busy area" cc mechanic.

    - Greatly increase tower/CT HP, specially below 200. Introduce a team-wide looong cooldown for meeps if executed from 25% or lower gas. Disallow engineer warps *from* 25-% gas.

    Those of the top of my head.

    - - -

    It's nice that someone, even if unofficially, finally gave a comment. Thank you for that. What you don't seem to understand though, is that if you guys cannot find a solution, the NW part of the game is dead. Boxers "won". You can call it a protest or anything you want, but you need to understand that if you take away the NW part of the game from players playing mainly for NW, they don't exactly have much reason to play. For others it depends how important they considered that aspect.
    Bamp these ideas. For a start.
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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Macrosun View Post


    Finally I also want to point out that the people who are staging a "protest" by cancelling, are not really accomplishing anything useful. While I can't and won't speak for management, I doubt they will take into account that some of the lost revenue is from this "protest" when they look at the declining revenue and decide the future direction of the project.
    cansel the accounts is the last way to get funcom to respond ,
    they made a big misstake when they said that it was ok to use 3 party prog and multibox , and they dont want to have a debate about it or talk about it at all .

    it cant be so hard to se the diffrens when players are using 3 party progs or when they are just multilogged .

  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Macrosun View Post
    Please read this first part carefully.
    Hi, slow down special-attacks (so we can react) and nerf uber teambuffs/buffstations.

    This will buff some profs, but mostly fixer, soldier and eng flags openly atm anyway.
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  7. #247
    Multi-box solution?

    Not really sure if this thread is the correct one for this multibox convo...
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  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Lheann View Post
    As far as protesting by cancelling - It is the only way to protest that a customer has. Our money speaks for us. When we withhold it, it does impact FC. Since as was said it is not the Dev's that make this policy, then removing the cash that the execs use to line their pockets with makes it a good method of protest. We we stop paying we are saying the game is not worth paying for. So if it goes away no big deal to the protesters.
    Ultimately, cancellation is the only effective protest the customer has, that's true.
    But I'm still hoping that FC actually reads and reacts to some of the concerns people have without having to take that final step.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macrosun View Post
    Finally I also want to point out that the people who are staging a "protest" by cancelling, are not really accomplishing anything useful. While I can't and won't speak for management, I doubt they will take into account that some of the lost revenue is from this "protest" when they look at the declining revenue and decide the future direction of the project.
    If there is a "cancellation protest", I can only imagine that it has to do with

    1) the screwed up economy which FC left unfixed after all the exploits
    2) the unloved February update and lack of response by Funcom, and
    3) 3rd party multiboxing in pvp
    (now that I know what it is, I understand why people hate it)

    From my, very personal experience, those are 3 things I hear most often mentioned when people consider quitting.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    Multi-box solution?

    Not really sure if this thread is the correct one for this multibox convo...
    For people using 3rd-party stuff for many screens this wouldn't work. Mouse movements are doable, as well as detecting stuff in the screen (like the confirmation button for the prompt). It breaks the EULA but it's easy to do.
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  10. #250
    Macrosun pops in and gives us some info and the pirhanna attack like they always do. Some things never change. I can see why they don't bother, nothing is ever good enough for this bunch because he didn't say what they want him to say lol.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunforhire View Post
    Macrosun pops in and gives us some info and the pirhanna attack like they always do. Some things never change. I can see why they don't bother, nothing is ever good enough for this bunch because he didn't say what they want him to say lol.
    Yeah, we should all get down on our knees and probably offer gifts too, right?

    I mean.. A dev posting on the forums of the game he works for.. The awesomesauce of that is just so amazing!

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    For people using 3rd-party stuff for many screens this wouldn't work. Mouse movements are doable, as well as detecting stuff in the screen (like the confirmation button for the prompt). It breaks the EULA but it's easy to do.
    Just a thought, as opposed to saying, "O well spoiters can get around it so why bother?"

    Quite possibly in conjunction with other deterants it could add up. Have you learned nothing padawan? In AO every point counts.
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  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    Just a thought, as opposed to saying, "O well spoiters can get around it so why bother?"

    Quite possibly in conjunction with other deterants it could add up. Have you learned nothing padawan? In AO every point counts.
    It doesn't. It's a 2 minute workaround.

    Also, I'm not against multiboxing or multilogging to begin with, even if I don't really do it myself. I was just stating that solution is not viable and why it's not viable.

    Check Macrosun's post for the most viable paths presented so far.
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  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Phatkeep View Post
    Yeah, we should all get down on our knees and probably offer gifts too, right?

    I mean.. A dev posting on the forums of the game he works for.. The awesomesauce of that is just so amazing!
    What does this have to do with what I said? I guess I was supposed to rip into Macrosun, my bad.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Genele View Post
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  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Macrosun View Post
    Finally I also want to point out that the people who are staging a "protest" by cancelling, are not really accomplishing anything useful. While I can't and won't speak for management, I doubt they will take into account that some of the lost revenue is from this "protest" when they look at the declining revenue and decide the future direction of the project.
    This.

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  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunforhire View Post
    Macrosun pops in and gives us some info and the pirhanna attack like they always do. Some things never change. I can see why they don't bother, nothing is ever good enough for this bunch because he didn't say what they want him to say lol.
    Except that didn't happen where Macrosun actually posted (see link http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...610413&page=18)

    Straight forward debate no piranha there?

    And ended with an open poll, all good.
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  18. #258
    Heh, pvp is already messed up in all kinds of ways, don't need extra headache from multiboxing!
    I won't quit over it but I can see why people might want to.
    More upset about that dumb patch last month and the mess from the sploiters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phatkeep View Post
    Yeah, we should all get down on our knees and probably offer gifts too, right?

    I mean.. A dev posting on the forums of the game he works for.. The awesomesauce of that is just so amazing!
    Heh, just ignore that guy, he never says anything constructive.
    He calls everyone who disagrees with him trolls and piranhas, but if we call him a fanboi, he goes crying for the moderator!

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Freor View Post
    - Don't allow AO window to take keyboard commands if the window doesn't have focus (and/or demand focus for at least say 0.1 secs for cmds to work). Can be applied to PVP only (25% or lower gas).
    It's trivial to trick an application into thinking it has focus

    Quote Originally Posted by Freor View Post
    - Disallow multiple connections from same IP address when entering 25% or lower gas. Alternatively, use the "entering busy area" cc mechanic.
    This prevents roommates, families, siblings, lan parties, etc from playing with each other. That's entirely unreasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freor View Post
    - Greatly increase tower/CT HP, specially below 200. Introduce a team-wide looong cooldown for meeps if executed from 25% or lower gas. Disallow engineer warps *from* 25-% gas.
    Revamping NW is being considered in the 'you decide' thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lheann View Post
    Collecting and examining network traffic - A company can track and collect all traffic entering and interacting with their servers. Specifically when that traffic is coming from software they have licensed to a end user. In this case the client. As long as they are collecting the data at their servers on their private network side of whatever firewall system they have it is all them and generally legal. Their EULA already covers this but if needed it could be expanded to further protect them. So getting the data is really not illegal as long as they do it within their own network. Yes there are limits to this, but it is not as clear cut as collecting is illegal.
    The collection of traffic Macrosun is talking about is the collection of all network traffic on a machine.
    Just collecting network traffic to the AO servers would not detect MB software.
    Only intrusive software similar to how PunkBuster and such operates would be able to, and it takes an entire team constantly updating such software to catch only a minor portion of offenders.
    And it still wouldn't detect hardware solutions or custom software (which is pretty trivial to make).
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    /me smacks Vhab around a bit with a large trout


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