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Thread: Monthly Development Update - 30th April 2014

  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    I had very close experience with this arranged pvp bot situation. They acted directly upon it. It's not an opinion, it's an eyewitness account from myself.
    Although FC gave the players the PvP dailies in order to avoid match fixing happening again. So something decent came out of it, which they're taking away again

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  2. #222
    Just hopping into this 'xp for pvp' convo for a brief moment because it seems feasible to me. If such a thing were to ever make it into game you'd think that xp for pvp kills would work in a similar manner of diminishing returns as the current pvp point system. I mean right now you can't just farm pvp points off of one toon.. every time you kill someone you get less and less until you stop getting pvp score off of them at all. Additionally, they could add something in where you can only get xp if the toon you kill is not the same faction. These 2 things alone would reduce people taking advantage of the system I'd think.
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  3. #223
    Actually you're wrong Jill.
    Just die and the diminishing returns disappears.

    So again, my point still stands. People would just have 2 teams on both sides of the conflict, and farm themselves.

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  4. #224
    Just give xp at the end of every BS round, winning team gets more than the other.
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  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Alternity View Post
    Just give xp at the end of every BS round, winning team gets more than the other.
    But that would promote... gasp FOUR CAPPING :O
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  6. #226
    How about:

    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 12 solo kills in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 24 team kills in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 24 duel wins in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Solo & team kill rewards only applicable to kills made inside Battlestations or Notum War fields that are hot.
    • Duel rewards available anywhere.
    • Rewards of 1/20th of a daily reward per tower destroyed (needs to work within an RI, rewarding every member).
    • Rewards of 1/2th of a daily reward per CT destroyed (needs to work within an RI, rewarding every member).
    • Remove the XP granted from the BS dailies, and leave the tokens & VP reward as well as leaving it 3/day.


    With this, if you were to do some BS solo for those kills, then NW for the team kills and do so with just 2 offences, you could end up yielding 3 (solo kills) + 6 (team kills) + 6 (60 towers per site) + 1 (2 CTs) for 16 dailies worth of XP which makes it a viable alternative to PvM for PvPers to gain their XP/SK/Research.

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  7. #227
    Quote Originally Posted by Raggy View Post
    But that would promote... gasp FOUR CAPPING :O
    And also.... participation! You are right, we should not go down that road!
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  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizaka View Post
    How about:

    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 12 solo kills in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 24 team kills in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Rewards of 1/4th of a daily reward for up to 24 duel wins in a 24 hour cycle.
    • Solo & team kill rewards only applicable to kills made inside Battlestations or Notum War fields that are hot.
    • Duel rewards available anywhere.
    • Rewards of 1/20th of a daily reward per tower destroyed (needs to work within an RI, rewarding every member).
    • Rewards of 1/2th of a daily reward per CT destroyed (needs to work within an RI, rewarding every member).
    • Remove the XP granted from the BS dailies, and leave the tokens & VP reward as well as leaving it 3/day.


    With this, if you were to do some BS solo for those kills, then NW for the team kills and do so with just 2 offences, you could end up yielding 3 (solo kills) + 6 (team kills) + 6 (60 towers per site) + 1 (2 CTs) for 16 dailies worth of XP which makes it a viable alternative to PvM for PvPers to gain their XP/SK/Research.
    Not a bad idea.. somewhere between this and Traderjill's diminishing returns idea would be perfect imo.

    No XP for duels though, PvP is generally not balanced towards 1v1 in MMO's and duels shouldn't be seen as a means of gaining anything other than false epeen. b's love false epeen.
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  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Pafpuf View Post
    did you stop to think for a second that they're not alone up there ?
    Who'd go spawncamping afk's at A or B when a bs is running?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xootch View Post
    people get mad if you kill anyone there. maybe i just missed you're only supposed to kill your own alts there?!
    Customers are always right.

    FC really screwed up doing that one, if it was only open every 5th hour and had a endbos with unique loot...
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  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizaka View Post
    Actually you're wrong Jill.
    Just die and the diminishing returns disappears.

    So again, my point still stands. People would just have 2 teams on both sides of the conflict, and farm themselves.
    Not sure what you mean by just die. If that clears the games memory of how many times you've killed another player then they can just fix that system memory wipe. Is that how pvp score currently works... that if you've killed someone to the point that you aren't getting pvp score then die and kill them after you get score from them again immediately?
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  11. #231
    What on Earth is people's moral objection to farming xp for yourself?

    I'm fine with allowing the possibility if there's anyone crazy enough to want to do it because:
    It would probably be slower than heckler levelling
    It's against the rules

    If people want to do it despite that, why not...let them? Either FC will crack down on it, or they won't, in which case a bunch of stubborn people will sloooooooowly cheat their way to 220.

    Big deal. No need to get fixated by cheating. I mean, after people have duped trillions of credits, there's this furore over someone logging a bunch of alts to farm killing their alts for a minor xp reward?

    Seems like impotent vigilantes fuming over minor crooks because they got screwed over by the mafia.

    Let me out it this way: soloing is allowed.

    These guys would be soloing, but slower, and at the risk of getting banned. Big deal
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  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by leetlover View Post
    Who'd go spawncamping afk's at A or B when a bs is running? .
    Those who don't spend all of their time in sneak. Pretty much everyone I see on bs is roaming around, most of the time it's running there's only a few people on so players are kinda forced to look for a fight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Encyros View Post
    What on Earth is people's moral objection to farming xp for yourself?

    I'm fine with allowing the possibility if there's anyone crazy enough to want to do it because:
    It would probably be slower than heckler levelling
    It's against the rules

    If people want to do it despite that, why not...let them? Either FC will crack down on it, or they won't, in which case a bunch of stubborn people will sloooooooowly cheat their way to 220.

    Big deal. No need to get fixated by cheating. I mean, after people have duped trillions of credits, there's this furore over someone logging a bunch of alts to farm killing their alts for a minor xp reward?

    Seems like impotent vigilantes fuming over minor crooks because they got screwed over by the mafia.

    Let me out it this way: soloing is allowed.

    These guys would be soloing, but slower, and at the risk of getting banned. Big deal
    Stop, you're making sense.

  13. #233
    Please Funcom lower the Monthly Subscribe or turn it off ur PAIN to play at a empty server !!!

    no one in europe is willed to pay 17,19€ monthly or sub for 3,6 or 12 month without any patch,
    with content or to fix the economy back from ur greedy drop rate where ever we hunt for.

    The cost free ARK r to lazy to remove the cred spam from the chat but into the forum they r the fastest in removing posts and spending infaction points like a salt shaker, one get the next not for the same thing.

    ps.
    explain me how to get "Inferno Sanctuary Quest - Omni" quest updated in killing
    "Redeemed Lord Galahad" and his bazzillion add´s ?
    looks like fail patched the dmg we get in there and only with a community raid a goal in view range.

    Move or u can pic up in future returnable bottles to pay ur bills.

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  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    No XP for duels though, PvP is generally not balanced towards 1v1 in MMO's and duels shouldn't be seen as a means of gaining anything other than false epeen.
    I disagree, duels are the ultimate test of pvp. If you are going to reward xp for getting gang-banged by 5 multi-box toons vs 1 player, or by backyard hopping AS ganks, there is absolutely no reason not to reward an actual stand up toe to toe fight.

    In fact duels are the only version of pvp xp I would support.
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  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Brampfine View Post
    ps.
    explain me how to get "Inferno Sanctuary Quest - Omni" quest updated in killing
    "Redeemed Lord Galahad" and his bazzillion add´s ?
    looks like fail patched the dmg we get in there and only with a community raid a goal in view range.
    Learn pulling techniques that have worked since SL inception ?

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  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    I disagree, duels are the ultimate test of pvp. If you are going to reward xp for getting gang-banged by 5 multi-box toons vs 1 player, or by backyard hopping AS ganks, there is absolutely no reason not to reward an actual stand up toe to toe fight.

    In fact duels are the only version of pvp xp I would support.
    This would all be true if this game had anything close to class balance, as it is any experienced player knows how a duel will end before it even begins.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizaka View Post
    Learn pulling techniques that have worked since SL inception ?
    it´s not the first time we did it in there and ur a Clan and dont know how it is now.
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  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Pafpuf View Post
    This would all be true if this game had anything close to class balance, as it is any experienced player knows how a duel will end before it even begins.
    If you are talking about the top 1% of pvp players I agree however, many a times I have won duels that on paper I should have lost.

    On a side note perhaps pvp for xp done on a limited fashion such as inside arenas? Or only in mayhem 0% zones like the bar in mort "could" bring life back to those areas.

    It also seperates pvp v pvm players as those are zone you must actively enter to participate. Not just be at wrong place at wrong time waiting to be ganked.
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  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    I disagree, duels are the ultimate test of pvp. If you are going to reward xp for getting gang-banged by 5 multi-box toons vs 1 player, or by backyard hopping AS ganks, there is absolutely no reason not to reward an actual stand up toe to toe fight.

    In fact duels are the only version of pvp xp I would support.
    PvP in most MMO's is not balanced for 1v1. Duels do not reflect anything of skill or quality, they're just fun to do. There's no "toe-to-toe" in most MMO's because one class's paper, another rock and another scissors. They even often have their "nemesis" like on AO.

    This alone makes XP in Duels pointless, despite how much fun they are.

    Also, given AO's mass pvp nature, the focus on "team pvp" and balancing around it makes perfect sense.. so no reason to change it.

    EDIT: Note that I'm not defending AO's balance. It's done HORRIBLY, but the ideology is the right one.
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  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizaka View Post
    With this, if you were to do some BS solo for those kills, then NW for the team kills and do so with just 2 offences, you could end up yielding 3 (solo kills) + 6 (team kills) + 6 (60 towers per site) + 1 (2 CTs) for 16 dailies worth of XP which makes it a viable alternative to PvM for PvPers to gain their XP/SK/Research.
    Would be cool of those collectorboxes could be bought for 50k vp or so.

    Edit:
    and let all access any of the ofabshops since is yesdrop.
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