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Thread: Monthly Development Update - 30th April 2014

  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    Duels do not reflect anything of skill or quality, they're just fun to do.

    This alone makes XP in Duels pointless, despite how much fun they are.

    Also, given AO's mass pvp nature, the focus on "team pvp" and balancing around it makes perfect sense.. so no reason to change it.
    Again I disagree, a 4 man team of pistol/smg sol can insta kill every member of opposing team with 4 AS and have enough time during AMS to do it one opposing member at a time. Where is the "skill" in that? Only a team of 4 other AMS sol would have any chance to survive that team alpha for a limited time.

    But that is worth xp in your opinion? pfft
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  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    Again I disagree, a 4 man team of pistol/smg sol can insta kill every member of opposing team with 4 AS and have enough time during AMS to do it one opposing member at a time. Where is the "skill" in that? Only a team of 4 other AMS sol would have any chance to survive that team alpha for a limited time.

    But that is worth xp in your opinion? pfft
    A good team can easily counter 4 pistol/smg soldiers. I don't know what your point is here, but if you can't think up a team composition that would obliterate 4x pistol/smg soldiers with their barrage of specials.. you need to study pvp.

    EDIT: I'll add an example to make this clearer. Assuming 8 players of similar skill, 4 are pistol/smg soldiers on Team A, 4 are engi+nt+trader+crat(or doc) on Team B, with a little bit of strategy the soldiers would be rage quitting VERY fast. There are many other examples (most prolly even better than this one!) of teams that would be a good counter to your idea of an apparently unbeatable team.

    Of course this implies coordination and an actual "team effort" to have any meaning.. but that applies to the soldier example as well.
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  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    If you are talking about the top 1% of pvp players I agree however, many a times I have won duels that on paper I should have lost.
    That's another thing wrong with duels, people tend to pick easy targets.

  4. #244
    Xp from duel is futile - not only by current game mechanics, but player tendency to exploit anything beyond any borders.

    When I read suggestion about XP from PVP, it was ment to be implented into BS to enchance experience (seems legit) and to boost attendency in that pvp instance. Also, it would be alternative for players pvp oriented (like me). Any othe option is just BAD BAD BAD.
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  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    Again I disagree, a 4 man team of pistol/smg sol can insta kill every member of opposing team with 4 AS and have enough time during AMS to do it one opposing member at a time. Where is the "skill" in that? Only a team of 4 other AMS sol would have any chance to survive that team alpha for a limited time.

    But that is worth xp in your opinion? pfft
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  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Pomidor View Post
    Also, it would be alternative for players pvp oriented (like me).
    yeah, altho for it to be a alternative it would have to lock out the pvm-version.
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  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    A good team can easily counter 4 pistol/smg soldiers.

    Of course this implies coordination and an actual "team effort" to have any meaning.. but that applies to the soldier example as well.
    You seem to like to argue but pistol sol was just an example i could easily have said 4 pistol advy, 4 agent, 4 tigress mp, 4 pistol doc, 4 ofab traders etc etc. Any 4 AS + fling, burst, or perk will insta gib opposing teams 1 player at a time. That is if they even go after teams and not just hunt down greenies/pvm players on BS.

    So you can talk all about "skill" you want but that is zero skill team work and can be done by 1 person "legally" with a multi box setup.

    If you think that deserves xp for pvp then that speaks volumes about what you consider skill.
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  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    You seem to like to argue but pistol sol was just an example i could easily have said 4 pistol advy, 4 agent, 4 tigress mp, 4 pistol doc, 4 ofab traders etc etc. Any 4 AS + fling, burst, or perk will insta gib opposing teams 1 player at a time. That is if they even go after teams and not just hunt down greenies/pvm players on BS.

    So you can talk all about "skill" you want but that is zero skill team work and can be done by 1 person "legally" with a multi box setup.

    If you think that deserves xp for pvp then that speaks volumes about what you consider skill.
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    You seem to like to argue but pistol sol was just an example i could easily have said 4 pistol advy, 4 agent, 4 tigress mp, 4 pistol doc, 4 ofab traders etc etc. Any 4 AS + fling, burst, or perk will insta gib opposing teams 1 player at a time. That is if they even go after teams and not just hunt down greenies/pvm players on BS.

    So you can talk all about "skill" you want but that is zero skill team work and can be done by 1 person "legally" with a multi box setup.

    If you think that deserves xp for pvp then that speaks volumes about what you consider skill.
    You clearly know nothing of multiboxing or proper team PvP (btw, a proper team will easily grind a multiboxer down, that's why multiboxers don't win PvP championships in any game I've ever known, including AO's OOOOLD pvp tourney that I'm not sure many remember).. I'm sorry but I'll have to, yet again, stop replying to you unless you provide anything of substance to the discussion.

    Check other people's replies on this very thread as well as mine to see all the basic PvP logic you missed in regards to team PvP.

    As for multiboxing.. I've already noticed you're ignorant of the subject (how it works, how it doesn't work, how it can be countered, how it can be legal/illegal in each game and way to do it, etc) in previous threads and until you learn more about it, be it through discussion, study or practice.. you're just not worth answering.

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  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Raggy View Post
    Blockers.
    +1
    That was the point, 4 profs that do most of the damage by specials couldn't hurt a well-organized team with blockers.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by BytEfLUSh2 View Post
    +1
    That was the point, 4 profs that do most of the damage by specials couldn't hurt a well-organized team with blockers.
    Or just about any team with a crat/trader with max nano range spamming AoE roots during AMS.
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  12. #252
    you all assume you can build your team any way you like, not with what happens to run around and is even willing to team.

    and even if you could, go watch the final of the team pvp tournament and then post again.

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Xootch View Post
    you all assume you can build your team any way you like, not with what happens to run around and is even willing to team.

    and even if you could, go watch the final of the team pvp tournament and then post again.
    I never assumed this. But you equally can't assume you'll find the challenge referenced in Psikie's post... goes both ways.
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  14. #254
    nah, you just assumed there is engi running around.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Xootch View Post
    nah, you just assumed there is engi running around.
    Who on Earth does team PvP without an Engy? :s
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  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Raggy View Post
    Who on Earth does team PvP without an Engy? :s
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  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Raggy View Post
    Who on Earth does team PvP without an Engy? :s
    You can get into decent size conflicts in bore with a flagged engie nearby, and no one ever even thinks twice about teaming up. People need their solo score epeen.

    Towers is a different story though.
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  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    If you think that deserves xp for pvp then that speaks volumes about what you consider skill.
    So XP for PvP should be based on skill, while XP for PvM is pretty much about what kind of a tedious grind one can bear (or how many credats you have in the bank to pay that kiting NT) 98% of the time?

    Wanted: XP for PvM that is actually based on skill. Yeah, it is out there but it is in the minority.
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  19. #259

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    Quote Originally Posted by eroz_c View Post
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    Wanted: XP for PvM that is actually based on skill. Yeah, it is out there but it is in the minority.

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  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Raggy View Post
    Blockers.
    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalBath View Post
    You clearly know nothing of multiboxing or proper team Pvp!
    Quote Originally Posted by BytEfLUSh2 View Post
    +1
    That was the point, 4 profs that do most of the damage by specials couldn't hurt a well-organized team with blockers.
    You can't figure this stuff out on your own or you just want to argue.

    All this not only assumes the multi-boxer is going after a "well organized team" and not just insta ganking people as they pop out of decon or show up at a cap point. It also wrongly assumes that EVRYONE will be able to find and team with an engi at any and all lvl ranges. It also assumes the MB wont just fling/burst to get rid of blockers before killin off your toons with AS.

    The point is and was, that you are advocating xp for pvp. My point is that is not xp worthy or skill worthy and should not be even considered. UNLESS it's for duels where open inspect and visable nanos makes it a choice to engage in pvp under whatever odds and roll the dice on xp reward or loss. Not just giving free xp to Bat Stat gank fests or backyard hopping garbage.
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