18.7.0.22 feedback thread.

[Uaintseenme]

There has been no change to our pet AR.
It's MP's trying to justify the HUGE dmg increase thier frog has gotten.

[nanoforcer]

I was simply forwarding info, Michi told me that ALL pets for all profs have had their AR templates changed (test vs live), so if you're calling him a lier that's on you.

[lufa1982]

I'll believe it when I see it.

[dritst]

I was smiling/laughing to myself when I went to bed last night...

I knew you'd all take the piss, and I totally deserve it, but I was somewhat ecstatic because I've actually been able to hold my own totally fine with my engi, and now, knowing that I've been using the wrong self nano all this time, it's friggin GREAT! I'm gunna own with engi. I can't wait to play him tomorrow night (tonight's movie night with wifey).

sheesh! So stoked!

Now maybe you will understand why i was taunting you in game about the "fixer kill engy" ! Well and honestly now i understand why you was complaining!! -no i'm not laughing , well maybe just a little.

[lufa1982]

I doubt he will see much of a difference honestly, considering Fixer can break 7 blockers within 11 seconds anyways. And getting a lucky refresh only delays it another couple of seconds.

[Louderer789]

.27 Master's Bidding changed to 1100 mc/ts , change opposed by adv prof who wants to cast it on spiritech geysers more at 11

[Scvm]

.27 Master's Bidding changed to 1100 mc/ts , change opposed by adv prof who wants to cast it on spiritech geysers more at 11

Hey, I'm no prof. And I oppose only the TS req, not making it more engi- (or crat or mp) friendly in general. It's not as if 1301 PM was something advs normally had to begin with either.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Hey, I'm no prof. And I oppose only the TS req, not making it more engi- (or crat or mp) friendly in general. It's not as if 1301 PM was something advs normally had to begin with either.

I don't understand this thought process.

Why would advy be casting MB anyway?

[Louderer789]

My bad I thought I remembered you being the adv professional scum. Anyway I just thought your objection was funny considering you might be the only adv to have bought the nano

[Scvm]

I don't understand this thought process.

Why would advy be casting MB anyway?

Because they can! I covered this in another thread already, man.

My post was only partly facetious. L33ts don't have nearly enough NCU, and I don't know of any way to buff it. Source projectors do have the NCU though, which means advs can make use of MB in toe-to-toe duels in SL—something I only ever got about two people to try.

MB can also be cast on any service tower that has enough NCU, but they all have such low AR it doesn't do much. The top advy tower has about 1920 AR though, IIRC, which is enough to get an occasional proc against even high evade profs. (MB doesn't work like weapon procs where it can proc on misses.)

My bad I thought I remembered you being the adv professional scum. Anyway I just thought your objection was funny considering you might be the only adv to have bought the nano

Yeah, I was prof until about a year ago when I stopped subscribing. Even if no adv had ever used it, I'd still be against removing options in general. That just makes the game that much duller in the end. And don't forget I (and others, surely) want the SL-only restriction off the things at the very least, since I don't think it's likely we're going to see the more involved reworking of them hinted at in the old spreadsheets.

Apologies for this advy-centric derailment, engis, but I didn't start it. ;p

[McKnuckleSamwich]

There's one thing that keeps coming back to me, and I haven't seen many other people address this...

But, am I the only person who wouldn't mind seeing a bit better AAD in the engi toolset?

Engi's are gimped extremely hard in evades, to the point that not only are our evades lower than every other prof, but even if engi's do a balls out evades setup, the max AAD you can get is still less than 1k.

I don't think it's asking for too much, but I'd love to see about 100-150 AAD slotted in to our research or some perklines (mechanic/gadgeteer or the AI prof line).

Even adding a small AAD buff to the AC line seems to make some sense, i.e. 100AAD on gift of assurance, 80/50/30 on the lower SL AC shields, and/or a 50 AAD pulsing aura like "Sympathetic coordination assistant"

[Louderer789]

We would need so much added to make any difference that it is basically pointless. It would take SWS 10 just to get us to agent-level evades.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

We would need so much added to make any difference that it is basically pointless. It would take SWS 10 just to get us to agent-level evades.

In a "evade" setup using full CSS and swapping in obvious slots, such as engi ofab back, infused ancient defender, and green hud 3, etc.

pred buff+awakening, you get maxed out around 2800 evades+AAD.

It's not great, but it is enough to start wondering.

OSB'd with GSF/RI and you start wondering if 3k is possible.

[dritst]

In a "evade" setup using full CSS and swapping in obvious slots, such as engi ofab back, infused ancient defender, and green hud 3, etc.

pred buff+awakening, you get maxed out around 2800 evades+AAD.

It's not great, but it is enough to start wondering.

OSB'd with GSF/RI and you start wondering if 3k is possible.

Useless better get more Hp in perkline ect, AC becoming really usefull or more absorb. Evade are kinda pointless for an engi as lufa stated, even near 3K def it woul be useless except in team (but you would lose TOOOO much like scope ect) The only situation where i saw it worked pretty well it was in 3 vs 3 coupled with crat+adv and full def setup as you stated.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Useless better get more Hp in perkline ect, AC becoming really usefull or more absorb. Evade are kinda pointless for an engi as lufa stated, even near 3K def it woul be useless except in team (but you would lose TOOOO much like scope ect) The only situation where i saw it worked pretty well it was in 3 vs 3 coupled with crat+adv and full def setup as you stated.

ya I got crat/adv/keep/MA for RI.

got even a trader I *could* use to debuff an opponent.

So I'm sitting near 4k def in that team but any opponent in team with crat can still load up perks like nobodies business. with sphere gets a bit over 4k, with some crat buffs it's near 4500 def.

The problem is 18.7 advy defence drops out of the equation like a rock. minus 150 def right off the bat and then you're basically not looking real good for using evades in the first place.

[lufa1982]

DB rips are out

- taunt from Gadgeter taunt seems to have been gigantically improved (6000 taunt compared to 900 on live)
- looks like NCU crash is still in Gadgeter, which is nice. They didn't change its mechanics so it will still only occur once every 5 years during full moon.
- all of the nanos except SL Reflect seemed to have lowered reqs.
- Medalion def check is down to 85% NR. Pointless change I gotta say.

[lufa1982]

Nothing about pet AR in the final patch notes, what a shocker.

[Jihnna]

I thought Isotos would get longer duration ? only 10 min still.... I don't see any aad buff on miniaturization either ? have I misunderstood something or was it missed ?

Edit 1 : Nvm Isotos.. was regular sotos that wen from 3 to 10 minutes.. :/

[Ekarona]

Could we get pet reflect dropped in line with other buffs? Currently it's only nano with old insane reqs...

[McKnuckleSamwich]

I thought the new - best - request for us was to have the SL pulsing reflect aura affect pets, which seems to be, broadly speaking, a much more robust fix. It also means it's 2 less casts for buffing the pets.