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Thread: 18.7.0.24 TL, New Rihwen nano reqs.

  1. #21
    didn't they say there was gonna be a full ipr given with 18.7? i could be wrong but i'm fairly sure i saw that at some point
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  2. #22
    That'd be great, if so. I think all I've seen are people asking for it, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Will still suck putting alphas back on without contracts, but at least it wouldn't require farming S42 or paying ~500m to Jobe vendor.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Esssch View Post
    That'd be great, if so. I think all I've seen are people asking for it, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Will still suck putting alphas back on without contracts, but at least it wouldn't require farming S42 or paying ~500m to Jobe vendor.
    Just temp join Devil Inside or Spartans for contracts, I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue ^^
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  4. #24

    Preliminary Damage Tests

    I did run some damage tests on high AC punchbag and the results are below. I did 3 samples per pet.
    All tests were done with a full buffed pet but staff buff. Channel Rage included, no Ken Fi.



    2045 Pet - Aka Tier 1 Rihwen

    Place. Player (Damage/Damage per Minute/Hits/Crits/Crit%/highest hit)
    1. Lainbr ( 498.194 / 135.840 / 114 / 19 / 16% / 4.976 )
    2. Kaiju ( 411.726 / 112.260 / 183 / 12 / 6% / 2.989 )

    1. Lainbr ( 513.279 / 137.460 / 116 / 19 / 16% / 4.976 )
    2. Kaiju ( 418.145 / 111.960 / 187 / 9 / 4% / 2.989 )

    1. Lainbr ( 518.742 / 139.560 / 120 / 12 / 10% / 4.976 )
    2. Kaiju ( 415.331 / 111.720 / 185 / 11 / 5% / 2.989 )



    2545 Pet - Aka Tier 2 Rihwen

    Place. Player (Damage/Damage per Minute/Hits/Crits/Crit%/highest hit)
    1. Lainbr ( 515.983 / 141.960 / 112 / 15 / 13% / 5.137 )
    2. Kaiju ( 508.202 / 139.860 / 178 / 11 / 6% / 5.110 )

    1. Lainbr ( 525.435 / 143.940 / 120 / 10 / 8% / 4.987 )
    2. Kaiju ( 505.507 / 138.480 / 180 / 7 / 3% / 5.110 )

    1. Kaiju ( 528.563 / 140.280 / 186 / 12 / 6% / 5.110 )
    2. Lainbr ( 523.831 / 139.020 / 121 / 16 / 13% / 4.987 )


    3045 Pet - Aka Tier 3 Rihwen

    Place. Player (Damage/Damage per Minute/Hits/Crits/Crit%/highest hit)
    1. Kaiju ( 580.217 / 151.980 / 188 / 25 / 13% / 5.365 )
    2. Lainbr ( 504.792 / 132.240 / 119 / 12 / 10% / 4.992 )

    1. Kaiju ( 560.575 / 146.220 / 188 / 14 / 7% / 5.365 )
    2. Lainbr ( 509.085 / 132.780 / 117 / 13 / 11% / 4.992 )

    1. Kaiju ( 550.799 / 144.900 / 187 / 10 / 5% / 5.365 )
    2. Lainbr ( 530.559 / 139.620 / 119 / 17 / 14% / 4.992 )
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
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  5. #25
    Adding more curious information!!!

    3k Rihwen also has 3 diferent weapon templates! On Leet Punchbag I got these curious results:

    • Lainbr hit Tuff Leet for 9500 points of poison damage. Critical hit!
    • Lainbr hit Tuff Leet for 8471 points of poison damage. Critical hit!
    • Lainbr hit Tuff Leet for 7443 points of poison damage. Critical hit!


    [EDIT]
    2.5k Rihwen results on Leet Punchingbag:

    • Kaiju hit Tuff Leet for 7066 points of poison damage. Critical hit!
    • Kaiju hit Tuff Leet for 8044 points of poison damage. Critical hit!
    • Kaiju hit Tuff Leet for 9012 points of poison damage. Critical hit!


    2k Rihwen results shows it still just has one weapon:

    • Kaiju hit Tuff Leet for 5752 points of poison damage. Critical hit!


    I'll test it another day with other pets to check if the other 2 also have 3 diferent weapon templates.
    Last edited by lainbr; Apr 4th, 2015 at 19:41:35.
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
    Proud veteran of Spartans

    To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
    Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.

    Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
    Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.

  6. #26
    Though this thread is more about reqs and dmg output: Any numbers for Def/NR/HP/AC etc for all Tiers?
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  7. #27
    Omg it's over nine thousand!!11!11!
    Don't you just hate this kind of ppl
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by nanoforcer View Post
    Omg it's over nine thousand!!11!11!
    NOW we're talking! I'm pretty sure if I geared up a few things I could break this billy b.a. out. Might just have to unretire for this one....

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Baby View Post
    Though this thread is more about reqs and dmg output: Any numbers for Def/NR/HP/AC etc for all Tiers?
    I'm waiting a CoT to pop up and kill the monster to get its HP (fence has failed me and the hit damage + /pet report resulted in unrealistiscal 250k HP for T3 Rihwen). The other things I dont quite know how to check :c

    EDIT: I updated my pet weapon template findings with the other 2 pets results.
    Last edited by lainbr; Apr 4th, 2015 at 19:42:20.
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
    Proud veteran of Spartans

    To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
    Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.

    Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
    Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.

  10. #30
    3,045 req Rihwen: 74,508 health. 2,545 req Rihwen: 72,548 health. 2,045 req Rihwen: 64,968 health. Thank you to Darkbane for testing this!
    Last edited by JustinSane4; Apr 4th, 2015 at 20:53:48.

  11. #31
    Posting several setups I have been using on test server! P.s.: All setups but Justinsane's have Ranger 10 perked.




    There are lots of deviations from my setup 1. You may swap CS for CSS if wants more Bow, AS and Bow Spec Att. Give up of Manual Aiming to Nanocontroler Unit. But most of those deviations requires you to give up 3 AI perks if you want to cast top Rihwen.

    You can use other buffing hud I didnt if you dont wanna rely on Phulaks. Check Justinsane's setup to check what I didn't used.
    <more setups soon>
    EDITED
    Last edited by lainbr; Apr 8th, 2015 at 01:42:30.
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
    Proud veteran of Spartans

    To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
    Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.

    Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
    Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by JustinSane4 View Post
    3,045 req Rihwen: 74,508 health. 2,545 req Rihwen: 72,548 health. 2,045 req Rihwen: 64,968 health. Thank you to Darkbane for testing this!
    As I though. HP is not that much diferent. But 3k pet HD and Heal Reactivity is far better than 2.5k ones. Wish we could measure it as well
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
    Proud veteran of Spartans

    To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
    Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.

    Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
    Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.

  13. #33
    Hmmm please please please dont base the top level pet on org contracts. Sure make them sacrifice survivability or personal dd but dont base the casting on something that alot of people wont have access to. Thats just cruel I can get 2856 so 200ish short so far If I get 3 items I dont currently have. How much do org contracts offer.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by lainbr View Post
    As I though. HP is not that much diferent. But 3k pet HD and Heal Reactivity is far better than 2.5k ones. Wish we could measure it as well
    Heal reactivity on all pets in AO is 150 per Michizure, where 100 is normal Heal reactivity that everything has by default.

    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Hmmm please please please dont base the top level pet on org contracts. Sure make them sacrifice survivability or personal dd but dont base the casting on something that alot of people wont have access to. Thats just cruel I can get 2856 so 200ish short so far If I get 3 items I dont currently have. How much do org contracts offer.
    Org contracts offer up to +39, but they aren't needed. It's hard to cast because it should be hard to cast.

  15. #35
    I agree it should be hard to cast, they should still be available to all mp's without being dependant on something that alot of mp's wont have access to regardless of how long they farm or how well they equip their character. Good to hear org contracts arnt needed. Thank you for the reply.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by gresh View Post
    Hmmm please please please dont base the top level pet on org contracts. Sure make them sacrifice survivability or personal dd but dont base the casting on something that alot of people wont have access to. Thats just cruel I can get 2856 so 200ish short so far If I get 3 items I dont currently have. How much do org contracts offer.
    This ones has no contracts based on. In worst case, you just throw +80 phulaks... :/ But yes, it is hard.

    EDIT:
    Quote Originally Posted by JustinSane4 View Post
    Heal reactivity on all pets in AO is 150 per Michizure, where 100 is normal Heal reactivity that everything has by default.
    I had a feeling that T3 pet was healed more in the T2xT3 duel. Maybe I was wrong.
    Last edited by lainbr; Apr 4th, 2015 at 22:00:01.
    Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
    Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
    Proud veteran of Spartans

    To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
    Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.

    Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
    Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.

  17. #37
    Yes I wasnt trying to make it easy. It should be kept hard. The best things should be a challenge and ive obviously got to think of a few more things to make up 200 nanoskills but getting items just takes time... knowing I dont have to leave my org for one with contracts just so I can cast the pet is good to know. Thank you for the input.

  18. #38
    Gresh, here's a place to start: http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=199937. 3,102 MC/TS without contracts. Other Virgo NCU in deck 6 would bump it to 3,103.

    By far the easiest approach though is to level a froob trader till it can cast a decent wrangle after you buff it with TS/PM mochs. You won't be summoning a replacement 3k req Kaiju in combat anyway (getting the phulaks on then your normal weapon back on is too much to try for), so might as well get a wrangle and skip a bunch of farming/swapping.
    Last edited by JustinSane4; Apr 4th, 2015 at 22:08:21.

  19. #39
    Justinsane that is awesome thank you for posting the setup. Ok it looks like i need a few more items than the three I dont have but doesnt seem anything near impossible. looking at the setups (posted and current) there seems to be plenty of variation too so it isnt like one strict path of item choice. Virgo's Analytical Spirit Helper for the extra 1 nanoskill (which I know doesnt help much) but Im using the combined scouts helm as opposed to the beast helmet and currently 200 de'valos sleeves but can always swap them out for some combined scouts.

    Guess I finally need to try gauntlet heh.

    Thanks again appreciated.

    EDIT: ok so i reread yours and noticed you mentioned the analytical already
    Last edited by gresh; Apr 4th, 2015 at 23:41:18.

  20. #40
    Yep, I need Gauntlet too - I've never been there myself. Not the easiest thing to find teams for in my experience.

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