18.7 coming to live servers, but...

[AstorethX]

Hello all,

As 18.7 coming to live tuesday, i'm expecting whining treads will start about MPs and how OP they're in pvp. (dual wield shields, high AR pet, dmg to pet nanos, capped AS tigress etc.)

But what about PvE side of game? Do you think this changes will give us a spot on team for any raid?
Damage? Yep we got improvement but still other prof.s has more utility with damage to bring team than mp.
Debuffs? Dont think so, still other prof.s has more to give than mp.
Buffs? Nah, buff 8h duration on composites, then bye MP.
CC ? Nop.

Probably wont be a big problem to old endgame MPs as we already had a chance to to farm/get items etc. with orgs.
But leveling or new 220s will have problems imo.

What you guys thinking about that?


PS: Sorry for my English.

[User1337]

This is interesting, and I think it applies not only to MPs, but to most profs who aren't Enf/Doc/Sold/Crat/Shade. Basically, if you have those five, you can do anything (except 12m, for which you need a keeper). Hopefully, as 18.7.x develops, more and more profs will be "useful" once again.

Not an answer to your question, just an opinion

[nanoforcer]

I feel quite usefull in team with 18.7
About debuffs worth -1000 damage that work with -inits from other profs, finally.
A combined -init of about -500 from procs + nanos that stack with other profs init debuffs.
A pet that kicks hard, gives us good damage even if we use shields, better weapon options, specially with 1hb as that line has now opened up fully.
Some healing, both from healpet and faster recharge from perks, add to that that we also give team nano from perks.

NSD, not at all sure if Michi made it affect stuff that matters now, we'll see about that.

+ a few other things i'm missing i guess, what's there not to like? Big step into the right direction

[Baby]

I have mixed feelings about this.

Sure, almost every other prof still does more dmg or has more useful debuffs (as in: you wouldn't replace your crat or doc with an MP), but as nanoforcer said, our debuffs finally stack! So in raids people might finally feel the absence of an MP, when the mob hits for a lot more than it does when an MP is around. Our healpet got a boost as well so it can be considered as a nice support for docs when they have to heal 2+ teams alone or aren't 215+ yet. The faster recharge on the SS Perkline is pretty awesome as well. In high level it might not affect that many profs or breed-prof-combos rather, but in lower levels it will be very nice. Including for the MPs themselves.

Still, when it comes to 6 girl teams, MPs will still be left behind (like many others). Lowlvl MPs won't care about the Rihwen Tiers or the 11sec on the Tigress either. So I suppose the leveling experience for MPs will hardly change.

[JustinSane4]

I actually think we'll be in pretty good shape here. In full DD setups, we'll be competitive (if not quite equal to) the top tier DD professions. We can debuff inits by 522 (261 from wrath abatement, 261 from the proc) and damage by about 1,000, as well as Dazzle With Lights. Our healing won't generally be make or break to a team, but it can make life easier. And our nano-heals are up to 3,900 nano/minute, and there are professions that will appreciate that now.

As far as leveling, MPs have always been good up through TL4, and with the DtP/improved heal pet healing/SL pet nano-scaling/attack pet HP buffs/pet heal reactivity/longer duration and shorter recharge on SL damage debuffs/improved mezz pet mezz chance to land, TL 5 and 6 MPs will see a big overall improvement. A reasonably equipped, competently played MP will be a great addition to any team at any level with 18.7. And while this may be optimistic, I think people will catch on pretty fast that we're a lot more useful now.

[Le-Quack]

mp seem to be perfect from testings on testlive servers, much dmg now if you can swap tigres and shield. with tigress you are a pretty good dmg dealer in pvm now.
what concerns me is the mp pet that should have a little decrease in attack rate before relsease or i fear they nerf us to much later.

[-Klod-]

Still having complaint on T3 monkey reqs.

Why on earth are we now the only pet prof that needs gear swap to cast our top pet?

P.S.
I do have a froob trader buff monkey, but still...

[Raggy]

Still having complaint on T3 monkey reqs.

Why on earth are we now the only pet prof that needs gear swap to cast our top pet?

P.S.
I do have a froob trader buff monkey, but still...

Engineers have had to do it for years and years. Difference is, the T3 Rihwen is actually worth it since it's overall better than the Widow.

[-Klod-]

Engineers have had to do it for years and years. Difference is, the T3 Rihwen is actually worth it since it's overall better than the Widow.

So, now we have to do it "for years", because "that's how we roll in AO"? This is not good enough reason.
It should be hard to cast, but not insanely hard like this.

P.S.
We need some weird **** to cast this, not a simple swap of an item or two (or CM from a MP, if you are engie).

P.P.S.
BTW, where's my Notum Scrotum?

[Aiken]

/snip - BTW, where's my Notum Scrotum?

Hands OFF the Scrotum, that's had Crat written all over it for years!

[Esssch]

Engineers have had to do it for years and years.

It's hilarious if you actually believe that

[Raggy]

So, now we have to do it "for years", because "that's how we roll in AO"? This is not good enough reason.
It should be hard to cast, but not insanely hard like this.

P.S.
We need some weird **** to cast this, not a simple swap of an item or two (or CM from a MP, if you are engie).

P.P.S.
BTW, where's my Notum Scrotum?

No, you miss the point. You now have to do it to gain access to a pet that is actually better. It's meant to be a form of progression. If it was stupid easy to use and gain access to, there would be no point to the other 2 tiers of pet and we'd all be better off just buffing the current Rihwen by XYZ%

It's hilarious if you actually believe that

I had to swap a chunk of stuff to cast most of my stuff on my Engy. Granted she was in a PvP equip.

[Esssch]

I had to swap a chunk of stuff to cast most of my stuff on my Engy. Granted she was in a PvP equip.

You had to swap to cast pets? Or to cast pet buffs? Also, exactly, a PvP setup. You likely had an AS eye in. We're in full nanoskill setups and still need things like Phulaks and Hud/Util swaps.

[Burgly]

T3 is just not worth it imo, minimal dmg/ar difference, and traders can make u OE if double drained. T2 performs well over what can be expected.

And 6-7 BS rounds later i was 124 solo kills richer, nerf us :S

[-Klod-]

I had to swap a chunk of stuff to cast most of my stuff on my Engy. Granted she was in a PvP equip.

Well, do you have to do it now?

[Confuzied]

At other end of SL pet scale my MP dinged 150 tonight and was able to cast 180 Biazu with only a 33 wrangle. CoNC 8 + NanoDoctorate 3, running brain/surviving eye/working rhand symbs (overdue replacing), nelebs robe and 150 LE nano hud all i have for nanoskill buffing. So 4 tiers of Biazu skipped, reqs could perhaps do a slight increase here in order to keep some progression interest or at least to work to find a trader for a bigger wrangle!

[lainbr]

P.P.S.
BTW, where's my Notum Scrotum?

No idea. The answer I had was: not in patch 18.7.0 I hope it is still comming though.