18.7.4.8 Testlive Patch notes.

[Vinkera]

I think a bit of that is simply due to lag on the test server.

I didn't mention anything before, but I actually timed it. In terms of the casting time, it is still definitely 2 seconds, but lag turns that into 2.3-2.6 seconds.

Nothing new there that I can notice, at least ;p

[nanoforcer]

Ok let's hope so, might be clearer when we get a db rip, not that i don't trust you or Michi

[Vinkera]

I expect these timing changes to be getting another look soon, but doesn't hurt to have that looked at, also.

I'd rather have more sets of eyes confirm I'm right about the 2 second cap, however. Please feel free to run tests and let us know.

[DigitalBath]

Did some preliminary testing.. recorded myself casting 5x IU, first cast started at 4sec in the video, last cast ended at 21s, recharge included.

~17sec for 5 full casts that are supposed to last a total of 15sec.. add in a couple secs of lag/delay between casts and it seems nothing actually changed.

I'll do something more accurate when I get a bit more time. (or wait for Demoder's update on tl.aoitems.com if it's coming )

[Saetos]

I did make a suggestion a long time ago about getting a mini DM (now mini GIVA) to drop from S7 and it seemed to be a well liked idea. It even had support for Boil Blood in a different manner than GIVA does now; but suffice to say GIVA should have been a full line of nanos in 18.7 for NTs and an S7 GIVA would be a wonderful start.

[Darkbane]

Some quick tests suggest that IU does appear to be about 2-3s to cast, even full agg at over 3K inits... so (allowing for latency) hard to be sure! I see someone else has run better tests though


And yes, all are 8s/1s - I have to assume that there's much copy-pasta errors here, it's not like the lower SL nukes were any use in the first place after all.

[DigitalBath]

Some quick tests suggest that IU does appear to be about 3s to cast, even full agg at over 3K inits...

As does Spark Shower (the lowest of the SL nukes), and all are 8s/1s - I have to assume that there's much copy-pasta errors here, it's not like the lower SL nukes were any use in the first place after all.

3s attack cap or 3s total (atk+recharge)?

[SolanMesdane]

So, our nukes have to suffer in exchange for correcting such a mistake? That's a little disappointing... I haven't played my NT much since the dual-wielding fiasco came about, and now I have another reason to avoid him again.

[Darkbane]

3s attack cap or 3s total (atk+recharge)?

2-3s attack (it felt like about 2.5s), which allowing for latency, is probably still 2s.

[Mastablasta]

10 years later and someone nerfs the 3sec AS?

[Vinkera]

Although it was just a short time ago...

Do you guys remember we asked for all Shadowlands nukes to have a 2/1 cap before 18.7 was live? Well, we got that, but the times on ALL of them changed to 2/1. Possibly there's something odd with how these nukes are edited from the developers' standpoint, and hence we have this 8/1 mistake.

Trying to give them the benefit of doubt, here.

[Solams]

This multi range is kinda a big fail.. first AS nerf now a total nerf.. Why not just make it a two-handed weapon? Or are we getting some sort of offhand weapons for NT?

[Vinkera]

Still no verdict on the second NT weapon, but the Cyberdeck is technically a single handed weapon. Michi said there's not really anything else he can do about it.

[DigitalBath]

This multi range is kinda a big fail.. first AS nerf now a total nerf.. Why not just make it a two-handed weapon? Or are we getting some sort of offhand weapons for NT?

There were issues with making it a two-handed weapon so a temporary solution was implemented. Vinkera advised people not to go all out making builds counting on a weapon to be used as a viable dual with Cyberdeck and has been pretty upfront on the subject.

There are alternatives being discussed as a viable offhand to pair with our Cyberdecks. Let's hope they do make it to the servers at some point.

[TheNilvarg]

I expect those were adjusted to give init debuffers a chance to actually slow our nukes down, since 2 second total cast time on all of them would have made that impossible.

Ahh, wonderful. Yet another example of Funcom taking a dump on PvM-ers thanks to the whining of PvP crybabies.

[nanoforcer]

with 18.7.4.10 it "feels" a lot better now when casting IU.

[Vinkera]

Ahh, wonderful. Yet another example of Funcom taking a dump on PvM-ers thanks to the whining of PvP crybabies.

Honestly, it shouldn't make any difference in PVM for the most part. Trust me, if there was a nerf happening to PVM that was purely the result of pvp'ers, I'd be going bananas right now.

with 18.7.4.10 it "feels" a lot better now when casting IU.

It does, doesn't it?

Even if technically the cap time is slightly less than 2 seconds now, the lagging AO gods will punish us to even things out.