Combined pande belts.

[Phatkeep]

Yep, that's right but maybe not in the way you first thought.

My idea is that the three different belts should combine and become clickable so that you can get for instance STA+Sense if you wish. Same ammount as before. 50 for regular and 70 for xan version.

Perhaps a small modifier could be added for the "non active" stats as well. Maybe 5 or 10 of each.


Just cuz I want it!

[rybycka]

i dont think that is a good idea.. why doing something like this? it is lot of items in gabe for equip anything for anyone without that. with that would be to easy if u want diferent skill equip xan APF there u have all abilities

[Phatkeep]

i dont think that is a good idea.. why doing something like this? it is lot of items in gabe for equip anything for anyone without that. with that would be to easy if u want diferent skill equip xan APF there u have all abilities

Because ppl, believe it or not, make twinks at lower levels.

Besides, I can imagine some combos that would benefit from being able to get for instance STR and AGI.

[Awikun]

Last "new research" had already made twinking level 200 chars way too easy...
I spent 6 month farming items on level 200 Atrox enf to equip TNH belt!

With new research line that adds 50 complit at level 200 any prof/brees can equip pande belt easily...
Why do you want to make it more powefull???

[Oliveerz]

With new research line that adds 50 complit at level 200 any prof/brees can equip pande belt easily... EXCEPT SHADES

Ftfy

[Wakizaka]

There should just be a tradeskill process to combine the Xan APF belt with all three upgraded TNH belts yielding the cumulative bonuses of all 4 belts, unwearable until it's finished, and locked to level 220 with a 2100 CL requirement.

[aramsunat]

There should just be a tradeskill process to combine the Xan APF belt with all three upgraded TNH belts yielding the cumulative bonuses of all 4 belts, unwearable until it's finished, and locked to level 220 with a 2100 CL requirement.

then all we would need is a large treatment buffing item, and we would be able to hotswap alpha symbs mid-duel!

[DigitalBath]

The game should evolve. The wave of naysayers wanting the game to stay exactly as is will end up killing it.
We need MORE content that's harder/more challenging than what we have. It'll reward us with better gear. Current content will be easier and Twinks will have to be remade.
Welcome to progression and actual engaging experiences. It's a fun place.

Harder content and more powerful items are GOOD things! (especially if more specialised.. which isn't the case here but since it's mostly a twinking item one could see that as a specialty, maybe?)
Now.. if you had two versions of this belt.. one as Waki described it and one with a lower level/CL req.. but inside a brutally hard level-locked (let's say no one over 200 can enter) place that you would have to twink for.. you create content for the true twinking fans who will have to twink to get the twinking item to twink further! Twinkception!

Seriously though, it'd be good for the game.

[Phatkeep]

Last "new research" had already made twinking level 200 chars way too easy...
I spent 6 month farming items on level 200 Atrox enf to equip TNH belt!

With new research line that adds 50 complit at level 200 any prof/brees can equip pande belt easily...
Why do you want to make it more powefull???

First of all you're incorrect. Equipping a pande belt on a 200 is not easy. Ofcourse "easy" is a subjective term but if it were easy then lots of ppl would do it. How many have done it perventage wise? 0% of leveling toons and less than 10% of "twinks"?

Also my suggestion doesn't make it in any way easier to equip the belt so I don't know what your story about equipping the belt has anything to do with this suggestion at all.

As for "more powerful" - this is a quite subtle change. It doesn't add any extra skills, just adds one more that you might need for either twinking or for keeping armour out of OE.
If you want a concrete reason as to why it's needed, how about being able to get close to equipping 240, 250 or 260 symbs? After all they are level locked under 200 but except for a few spots they are completely impossible. Most won't even get close with my suggested belts but some might be doable. How about that?

[Awikun]

I have 5 level 200 twinks with pande belts (all made before "stupid new research")
Symbs QL 240 are doable on all profession/breeds 250 are impossible with very few exceptions as you wrote and they are not worth the trouble (small increase in bonuses and HUGE in requirements)
AO is (or rather was) unique because it allowed some extreme twinking and that allowed some unique builds.
Adding new and more powerfull items is like dumbng down AO because at the same time mobs are not made stronger.

I ll give you example - 10 years ago I remember raids made of 2-3 teams wiped out on Hezak in IS now I can solo it easily on 220 Shade...
Can solo as well LoTV, 2 Zods, Mitaar etc. does it make me happy ???
Not really AO was always a MMORPG and playing with friends in team/raids was a big part of it.
Now ,majority of content is soloable and more and more ppl are leaving AO.

What do you want next?
Make all encounters soloable ???
Thats a bad idea!

[Avari]

I kinda like the variation offered at the moment. APF and Maar belts are pretty much equally useful.

[aramsunat]

Harder content and more powerful items are GOOD things! (especially if more specialised.. which isn't the case here but since it's mostly a twinking item one could see that as a specialty, maybe?)

How is a "buff all things a lot"-item specialized? LOL!
In case someone didn't get my sarcasm: this is indeed a terrible suggestion.

Harder content is a good thing, more powerful items isnt. More powerful items make old content obsolete. Just as almost the entirety of RK is obsolete for expansion players. Gauntlet pads made Alappaa obsolete, Awakened shoulderpads made Gauntlet pads obsolete for pretty much anyone. New items (as incentive to grind new content) should provide more specialized loot with weird modifiers, preferably with tradeoffs. +45 everything is NOT specialized, its stupid.

[Phatkeep]

I kinda like the variation offered at the moment. APF and Maar belts are pretty much equally useful.

I am not sure if I was clear enough. The "combined" Panda belts would only buff two skills at a time. But you'd be able to click the belt to get the two skills you want. So it wouldn't give more skills. Just a different mix.

[Phatkeep]

I have 5 level 200 twinks with pande belts (all made before "stupid new research")
Symbs QL 240 are doable on all profession/breeds 250 are impossible with very few exceptions as you wrote and they are not worth the trouble (small increase in bonuses and HUGE in requirements)
AO is (or rather was) unique because it allowed some extreme twinking and that allowed some unique builds.
Adding new and more powerfull items is like dumbng down AO because at the same time mobs are not made stronger.

I ll give you example - 10 years ago I remember raids made of 2-3 teams wiped out on Hezak in IS now I can solo it easily on 220 Shade...
Can solo as well LoTV, 2 Zods, Mitaar etc. does it make me happy ???
Not really AO was always a MMORPG and playing with friends in team/raids was a big part of it.
Now ,majority of content is soloable and more and more ppl are leaving AO.

What do you want next?
Make all encounters soloable ???
Thats a bad idea!

That's a great story and I get it, you're unhappy that stuff got easier. I don't care about that though. The reason I made the suggestion is to get some of those 250 symbs doable with a ton of effort as well as letting some classes with some breed combos keep slightly higher armour out of OE. It won't make anythng or anyone OP.

Oh and it would save space in your inventory.

[Avari]

I am not sure if I was clear enough. The "combined" Panda belts would only buff two skills at a time. But you'd be able to click the belt to get the two skills you want. So it wouldn't give more skills. Just a different mix.

While I can understand that a "different mix" would be convenient in some situations I don't see any advantages gameplay-wise. The Maar belts are mostly a buff item for 220s and providing more "convenient" ability combinations for putting in alphas, for example, would just take away from having to get other ability items. It's already possible to do alphas and 300 EOE without stuff like Masterpiece Ancient Bracer as solitus.

It might also wash out some of the advantages of the solitus breed with regards to putting on end game items with more than two high ability requirements. Not that I'm under any illusion that breed (dis)advantages haven't been washed out already...

I don't care about that though. The reason I made the suggestion is to get some of those 250 symbs doable with a ton of effort as well as letting some classes with some breed combos keep slightly higher armour out of OE..

I honestly think it's a good thing that there are drawbacks to picking certain breeds. If you want a specialised non-solitus breed with the advantages you get from it, then there should also be drawbacks.

[Phatkeep]

While I can understand that a "different mix" would be convenient in some situations I don't see any advantages gameplay-wise. The Maar belts are mostly a buff item for 220s and providing more "convenient" ability combinations for putting in alphas, for example, would just take away from having to get other ability items. It's already possible to do alphas and 300 EOE without stuff like Masterpiece Ancient Bracer as solitus.

It might also wash out some of the advantages of the solitus breed with regards to putting on end game items with more than two high ability requirements. Not that I'm under any illusion that breed (dis)advantages haven't been washed out already...


I honestly think it's a good thing that there are drawbacks to picking certain breeds. If you want a specialised non-solitus breed with the advantages you get from it, then there should also be drawbacks.

Heya. I am referring mostly to 200 twinks here. I was a bit unclear about that probably. At 200 anything over 240 is nearly impossible even though even 270 symbs are only locked to level 198. In some slots certain clases have to accept 220 symbs because there are no 230 or 240 and 250 are extremely hard regardless of breed. The suggested belts would make some symbs a tad less impossible to do. That's all.

Oh and for example for MA it could help keep 300 armour out of OE if there were a STR+AGI belt.

[Awikun]

The difference between QL 240 and 250 symbiants is just not worth it...
And as FC is not reading those forums (or even if they do) or they have biggerproblems to deal with, this suggetion will just die... (RIP)

[Phatkeep]

The difference between QL 240 and 250 symbiants is just not worth it...

That is your opinion that "it's not worth it". Secondly as I've explained a few times by now, it's not 240 to 240. In some slots it's 220 or 250.

And as FC is not reading those forums (or even if they do) or they have biggerproblems to deal with, this suggetion will just die... (RIP)

So why do you even post here? And do you post the same message in every single thread or just when you happen to disagree? No? Why not?

[Legendfluf]

Why not just remove the GM level off this https://aoitems.com/item/206704/blackmanes-stat-buffer/ and hand them out to everyone? That would solve all the whining about wanting access to every single item in the game for any level.

Since some people don't like having some items or toolsets unavailable (god forbid) as they want everything accessible to them... aka easy-mode game. You can't always get what you want, just leave it be... that's what makes some builds unique.

You start introducing "combined Maar belts" good bye to all those builds and you'll become like a 220: everyone puts on the same stuff on every single prof.

[Phatkeep]

Why not just remove the GM level off this https://aoitems.com/item/206704/blackmanes-stat-buffer/ and hand them out to everyone? That would solve all the whining about wanting access to every single item in the game for any level.

Since some people don't like having some items or toolsets unavailable (god forbid) as they want everything accessible to them... aka easy-mode game. You can't always get what you want, just leave it be... that's what makes some builds unique.

You start introducing "combined Maar belts" good bye to all those builds and you'll become like a 220: everyone puts on the same stuff on every single prof.

Did you read and understand my suggestion or did you just come to whine?