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Thread: Funcom [should] Include SL to Basegame for Steam Release

  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorhyde View Post
    I'm perfectly ok with 220 fr00bs.

    Getting to 220 and finding out you STILL can't complete content (yes, Beast died without AI perks and LE nanos and Xan symbs ... but not easily ... and with iPande there are far fewer full raids in Pande these days) ... and that you're maybe 1/2 as PVP effective as a geared paid account ... that is how you get people hooked and paying.

    In the meantime, more people to team, more people to chat.

    If FC really wants to grow the playerbase again:

    * SL should be fr00bed. It's already been significantly reduced in price for a long time (unless the $5/month is no longer active)

    * AI+LE+Xan should be included in any base subscription without additional 1-time cost. At the least AI+LE should be base subscription (and if no Xan, then at a reduced monthly), with Xan being possible a paid upgrade to access the current final tier costing full monthly amount.

    * Any of these changes must be done prior to Steam launch

    There are other solutions, but they require a lot of coding (ie, you can't give someone SL for a limited time ... once upgraded they can never fr00b again ... we all know that but not everyone realizes that is the case because of the flags put on a character/account once they have accessed these areas). Significant coding won't happen without a huge active playerbase. Chicken<->Egg. So we're limited to some price structure changes.
    Goodness, finally someone that truly understands it! Everything you said was perfect. You must be an old-schooler like myself!

  2. #42
    Either side has valid points.

    I still think SL being free wouldn't be too bad of a thing, especially for Steam. To me, that feels like a really good leveling and gaming experience. You start RK for a bit, do some leveling at Tiigs, play around in the Reck, kill some hecklers, do some quests, do some inf and you're 220. It's seems nicely laid out to me.

    Froob content now just seems so... meh. Besides, at the top end, SL only toons don't really seem to have any good options to a current paid standard anyway. Anyone have a plausible endgame SL only setup we can all get a laugh out of handy? :P

    I don't really care either way. SL being free or paid content won't have any bearing on my subs at all.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinkera View Post
    Either side has valid points.
    Anyone have a plausible endgame SL only setup we can all get a laugh out of handy? :P
    Oh yeeee, gonna see T3 armor make a comeback!! And regular beast armor, prolly some Kergens/Jathos, and all of the random cata drops. And the bauble armor!! It's like mini-AI armor. There's also good Adventurer/Enforcer and Soldier armor that drops from bosses in SL, Pernicious and Sanguisent armor? I forget the name of the second one, but those would be dope setups, people would actually have to think and mix armor again!

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by SharpTony View Post
    Oh yeeee, gonna see T3 armor make a comeback!! And regular beast armor, prolly some Kergens/Jathos, and all of the random cata drops. And the bauble armor!! It's like mini-AI armor. There's also good Adventurer/Enforcer and Soldier armor that drops from bosses in SL, Pernicious and Sanguisent armor? I forget the name of the second one, but those would be dope setups, people would actually have to think and mix armor again!
    True, but also the best a sloob can possibly do is probably about equivalent to a paid in XP armor and some research.
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by SharpTony View Post
    Oh yeeee, gonna see T3 armor make a comeback!! And regular beast armor, prolly some Kergens/Jathos, and all of the random cata drops. And the bauble armor!! It's like mini-AI armor. There's also good Adventurer/Enforcer and Soldier armor that drops from bosses in SL, Pernicious and Sanguisent armor? I forget the name of the second one, but those would be dope setups, people would actually have to think and mix armor again!
    Thats what you think but in reality everyone will just use hiisii/silencer/luxurious armor
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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Blazeit420 View Post
    Thats what you think but in reality everyone will just use hiisii/silencer/luxurious armor
    I just want to see people run arund in Bellum Badonis Coat again. Or that god-awful blue/purple-gold one I don't remember the name of
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    If one of the few traders are PvPing around you and land GTH on you, take a trip to decon and it will be gone. What's the big deal hehe.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Avari View Post
    I just want to see people run arund in Bellum Badonis Coat again. Or that god-awful blue/purple-gold one I don't remember the name of
    Knights, from faction raids?
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by beornin View Post
    knights, from faction raids?
    YES! That's the one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tergx
    If one of the few traders are PvPing around you and land GTH on you, take a trip to decon and it will be gone. What's the big deal hehe.

  9. #49
    I suppose my aversion to this is that in my opinion the dedicated froob community is so loyal and strong probably because they dont have access to SL. So they are either all dancing at GSP parties, hanging out chatting, or doing scheduled raids together. Im just not convinced SL would keep that tight knit community from dissipating or getting watered down. Would more people be in SL to team, sure. But would that make it easier for them to get teamed by the elite players that dual log or have org mates to do ado brain, alappa, or albratum? I doubt it.

    Then the ultimate screw up to my mind is still the lost subscriptions from players that might have 2 paid accounts 50% of the time would drop to 2 paid accounts 25% of the time or zero. It just seems like profit suicide to me.

    I have 4 paid accounts only 1 is up 100% time, the other 3 would never get reactivated if SL were free. Im just being honest.
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  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Psikie View Post
    I suppose my aversion to this is that in my opinion the dedicated froob community is so loyal and strong probably because they dont have access to SL. So they are either all dancing at GSP parties, hanging out chatting, or doing scheduled raids together. Im just not convinced SL would keep that tight knit community from dissipating or getting watered down. Would more people be in SL to team, sure. But would that make it easier for them to get teamed by the elite players that dual log or have org mates to do ado brain, alappa, or albratum? I doubt it.

    Then the ultimate screw up to my mind is still the lost subscriptions from players that might have 2 paid accounts 50% of the time would drop to 2 paid accounts 25% of the time or zero. It just seems like profit suicide to me.

    I have 4 paid accounts only 1 is up 100% time, the other 3 would never get reactivated if SL were free. Im just being honest.
    I get what you're saying, but the reason I'd lean toward SL being free is simply because beyond like level 40, it really feels like 2 different games in one. It's not only paids get all this awesome stuff that froobs don't, but paids get access to so much more which splits up the dwindling crowd. If a reasonable middle ground could be determined which gave froobs physical access to other areas, but not necessarily the ability to use the gear or do the quests, that might be ideal.

    Let's pretend there simply wasn't "you must have shadowlands expansion" to go to the shadowlands, and the SL requirement for scuba gear, pen glasses, lava boots and HHAB were removed. The reasons for froobs to play just got a heck of a lot better simply because there's more people to do things with and way more stuff to do, but the reason to pay didn't really diminish at all either. In that case, froobs still couldn't use the gear, get garden keys, or do quests, but instead participate in leveling and such. I'd say that gives them enough of a taste, while still allowing for a little more unity.

    TL;DR - Maybe less restrictions on where froobs can go while keeping everything they can't use the same is a good alternative.
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  11. #51
    +1

    Making SL free is a wonderful idea which would make a lot of new players coming from Steam, subscribe.

    I strongly support this idea.

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