Useless whine

[Wrangeline]

I just wanted to point out one thing that I found to be kinda annoying:

I got a 164 doc that is a pure healer. No IP in weaponskills. This doc is used for teams in PvP or in PVM at TL5 and that's what I want the doc to be.

I want to do the new instance in Adonis, especially the team version but my doc can't get through the solo portion as a healing doc.

I don't have a suggestion or such, I just wanted to point out how annoying it is to actually have a tl5 healer and not being able to use it for the kind of content this char is created for.

[Mereditche]

Not really the answer you want to hear, but you could do it with dot's and nukes. Will take ages however.

[Muckota]

Yes, exactly same problem here... 164 doc, pure healer without killing abilities... and no, i can't do solo instance.

[DaTe]

DR is even doable with 150 MA doc, just IP in MA and Brawl, and at 164 there should be enough IP to max out both of those. I admit the damage aint good, regular hits are around 250 iirc, crits for around 1.5k. So not much damage, but Dot's and UBT make this PF doable.

Only problem I had was at Goddess, when I did not use the bottle on Hilda and Gunda. Second try I had some OB's (HE, Cost) which helps a lot in the escort mission, and during boss fight.

oh...lol and I died when I tried killing the last add, but that doesnt matter.

I dont know if I should say this, but DR is the first thing I have done solo on her. I leveled her together with my solja, and heals is what she is built around. No DD doc would use Paramedics :P

[Muckota]

Originally Posted by DaTe DR is even doable with 150 MA doc, just IP in MA and Brawl, and at 164 there should be enough IP to max out both of those.

I forgot to mention my doc is 164 twink and i have no free IPs and even if i had, dont want to put it in any weapon skill.

My guess is even if i clear pf, finish escort and get to boss, i will need to use dots all the time, which will empty my nanopool even with capped -nanocost, no need to mention spirit nano drain. PNH could help here, but pnh last 1h, which is for sure not enough for my doc to clear this instance and get to boss.

In other hand, org mate finished DR on 150 pistol doc, w/o many problems (died only once). It s all question of setup and i dont want to change my setup.

Anyway, i gave up on DR on doc, will try it with my new tl5 soon

[boltgun]

Does the mobs have high evades ?

Pistol perk, mastery, extreme prejudice, research and at helps ?

[eroz_c]

Originally Posted by Boltgun Does the mobs have high evades ? Pistol perk, mastery, extreme prejudice, research and at helps ?

Good idea, that. Probably a CDR would do just fine, and RC lasts 45 minutes. If you manage until the boss, you don't have to clear PF again if you die so you can step out at that point as well if you like. Perks are easily changeable anyway these days and you can get a CDR outside Foreman's too if you missed it.

I don't think that you need to equip any armor to use a CDR but if you do, you can just twink your old stuff back on... right?

[Hacre]

Kinda sucks though, that people who build their toons around their original intent (support, team healer) instead of building it as a soloing damage machine, get overlooked and screwed out of new content in such a manner.

I feel the solo part should be a nice addon, rather than a pre-requisite.

[eroz_c]

Originally Posted by Hacre Kinda sucks though, that people who build their toons around their original intent (support, team healer) instead of building it as a soloing damage machine, get overlooked and screwed out of new content in such a manner. I feel the solo part should be a nice addon, rather than a pre-requisite.

Agree and disagree. Disagree because of the gimps in med suits and xp pistols - argument, which will hopefully help a few people to get around to equipping themselves properly. Even though those people will just probably leech inf.

[Aleah]

At what step does the playfield no longer reset when you die / leave?
In my opinion, it should be when you turn in the Rafter quest. I don't think it is.

Having to do all the quests in one setting is what bugs me.
I keep thinking, well, I need a weekend for this.

[Noobius76]

Originally Posted by BugsCoT That sounds more like a badly conceived character than a twink

You should try to duel her and see if you can kill her.

[Flyingengi]

I also have this problem on my shade for the exact opposite reason. Pure damage and little healing.

[Anarrina]

The point of this thread is not to critique each others twinks. Look further down the list for the profession forums, thank you.

[Raggeh]

Originally Posted by Aleah At what step does the playfield no longer reset when you die / leave? In my opinion, it should be when you turn in the Rafter quest. I don't think it is. Having to do all the quests in one setting is what bugs me. I keep thinking, well, I need a weekend for this.

After the 'Storm the ruins' quest, the instance then sets a flag on your Char allowing you access to 'Dark Ruins Boss'.

'Dark Ruins Boss' is a clear PF with only the Spirit Goddess spawned. (And George ofc )

[Grafter]

Originally Posted by Wrangeline I just wanted to point out one thing that I found to be kinda annoying: I got a 164 doc that is a pure healer. No IP in weaponskills. This doc is used for teams in PvP or in PVM at TL5 and that's what I want the doc to be. I want to do the new instance in Adonis, especially the team version but my doc can't get through the solo portion as a healing doc. I don't have a suggestion or such, I just wanted to point out how annoying it is to actually have a tl5 healer and not being able to use it for the kind of content this char is created for.

i don't really know how to word this without seeming to troll, but let me ask question instead:

Do You Not Want To Ip Weaponskills At All?
i ask this, because at 164, you should have a plethora of extra IP; hells, you should be able to self-cast most RK Nanos by 130 (including DoTs) with little to no AI levels. If you don't want to invest the time/energy/ip to make your doc viable damage-dealing wise, there is no point to whine about not being able to complete a SOLO instance.


okay troll time:
I'd love to have a NR10 doctor that can tradeskill all engame content while being able to SA/AS/FA/BURST/FLING swap while careening around panda naked at lvl 205.

To quote The Big Lebwosky:
Walter: This isn't Nam, dood. there ARE rules!

[BugsCoT]

Mark it zero

[Mostadio]

No IP in weapons? You are entering a world of pain.

[Scum]

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

[Slipster]

Change your setup and/or tactics when in Dark Ruins.

All professions can solo it, especially if they don't specialise in one area with all their toolset.

[Wrangeline]

Just for your information, saying that I need to IP weapon skills and such to complete the solo instance is a bit useless to put it mildly. Of course I know that this is one obvious solution.

It's also a bit useless to point out that it's going to be tough trying to play a pure healing doc. I know perfectly well what the downsides of not using weapons are. I would have to bump my head pretty hard against the concrete in RL in order to lose that basic level of understanding

I don't need tips from players as there's nothing you can tell me that I don't already know I made this thread to point out something to FC in the form of feedback:

Having a pure healing doc is perfectly reasonable in a MMO, especially as all content in AO up until the introduction of dark ruins could be done with teams. This is the first time you were forced to solo something in order to reach group-content. I just wanted to point out that while this is fun and interesting for most professions and playstyles, it is not fun and interesting for SPECIALIZED characters.

You see, there are docs that only heal. That's why we made docs. We don't want to be battle docs. We just want to heal people and to be as good at that as we can be. There are also people that are pure damage setup shades or whatever with no survival tools because that's what they wanted to be. They wanted to be the best DD'er in a team that they could be. While soloing they are very squish. I don't know if pure DD shades have a problem in dark ruins but it's just an example of a specialized character.

I'm just pointing out that playing specialized characters in Dark Ruins isn't fun and I wanted to point out the irony of how many/most characters that are setup for TEAMING can't make it to a TEAM instance that was designed for the very purpose of TEAMS getting XP. It's extreeeemely ironic.

I am pointing this out because I don't want this kind of thing to find its way into the game again. I don't find it acceptable having to ruin our twinked setup and spend IPR points just to get past an obstacle that is in the way of new team content. That shouldn't be the case. If a specialized character can't solo something then he can get help, that's what you do in a MMO. Missing out on team-content because of a forced solo section is not only a crappy gameplay experience for the specialized character, it's also detrimental to the team instance because now there are fewer people there willing to team up. Just the other day I saw people complaining that there were few people on lfg and that the few of them there were couldn't find a healer. If I could get my doc in there I would be there in a heartbeat. But I can't.