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    The real differences between breeds

    To help you choose a breed other then going for the looks (Which can be a reason too of course, but that needs little discussion) here are some numbers about the different breeds at various levels. Finally I'll go deeper into the lvl 220 skills to see if the top nanos can or cannot be reached.

    Various "naked" skills (Maxed abilities and skills) :

    Code:
    LvL 100
    Stat       Solitus   Nanomage   Opifex   Atrox   
    ----------------------------------------------
    BM         441       443        441      440     
    MM         441       443        441      440
    MC         410       412        410      410
    Health     1840      1328       1745     2269
    Nano       2033      2683       1933     1388
    Nanoinit   441       441        442      441
    ----------------------------------------------
    Unlike many twinkers say breed hardly matters in what nano's you can cast. This is because the ability breed caps only start to count after LvL 150ish. Before that the only differences are the HP/Nano. You can also notice why Nanomage has a hard time around these levels because of the very low HP. Opifex and Solitus hardly differ, making the "but I can equip better QL implants" argument void. The existance of Temple Tubes also make Shades of Luc an unneeded item, further voiding the Nanomage's bonus in nanoskills at this level.


    Code:
    LvL 200
    Stat       Solitus   Nanomage   Opifex   Atrox   
    ----------------------------------------------
    BM         719       727        715      699
    MM         719       727        715      699
    MC         659       664        656      645
    Health     3197      2312       2992     3893
    Nano       4167      5315       3952     3012
    Nanoinit   719       718        731      707
    ----------------------------------------------
    Here breeds are more noticably making a difference. Nanomage only gains a small amount of nanoskills (8 BM/MM and only 5 MC because of a lower Sta-cap) but its potential is higher with a Prof. Jones Vest. Not something everyone can attain though. Solitus gets roughly 900 more HP over Nanomage while Atrox roughly get 700 more HP over Solitus. The lack of nanoskills and nanopool is really starting to show for the Atrox breed here. At this level this is not a big problem; all nano's can be cast and it's not likely even a 200 Atrox runs out of nano casting the RK nanos. Opifex is jumping in lead with nano-init because of the high agility/sense caps at the cost of only 4 nanoskills (lower int cap).


    Code:
    LvL 220
    Stat       Solitus   Nanomage   Opifex   Atrox   
    ----------------------------------------------
    BM         1294      1327       1290     1249
    MM         1294      1327       1290     1249
    MC         1134      1159       1126     1105
    Health     4732      3362       4442     6013
    Nano       6092      7935       5857     4282
    Nanoinit   1294      1283       1331     1267
    ----------------------------------------------
    As you can see breeds start to differ even more. Nanomage gains 31 nanoskills in BM/MM above Solitus while Atrox has no less then 45 nanoskills less then Solitus. Atrox gains a lot more HP out of this in return: 2650ish HP above Nanomage. Nano diffferences really do not matter at this level as everything is more aimed at nano-regen then at max nano. Max nano is only important / makes a lot difference at the TL4 (<150) and lower levels. In order to see what nanos each breed can and cannot cast we'll have to add proper equipement. To give a more realistic figure I did not use any loot from Pandenomium. I think it's safe to asume a LvL 220 character has a good symbiant set together with Inferno items though. Let's first add the best QL equipable symbiants (<QL250) and best perk choices for nanoskills (All primairy doctor perks with 10 Nanodoct, 1 enhanced DNA and 3 Genius).

    Best Symbiants + Perks add:
    + 487 BM
    + 477 MM
    + 391 MC
    + 258 Nanoinit
    + 1339 HP
    + 1848 Nano

    Best confirmed attainable items before Pandenomium:
    http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=3772 (no bracers)

    + 209+10(abils) BM
    + 215+10(abils) MM
    + 167+11(abils) MC
    + 460+5(abils) Nanoinit
    + 1950+34(abils) HP
    + 1340+180(abils/pool) Nano

    Adding buffs:
    +920 HP (Superior Omni-Med Enhancement)
    +1344 HP (Life Channeler)
    +85 Nanoinit (Instinctive Control)

    Total bonus:

    + 706 BM
    + 702 MM
    + 569 MC
    + 808 Nanoinit
    + 5587 HP
    + 3368 Nano

    The Expensive Kevlar Vest of Professor Jones QL200 adds for nanomage:
    +20-8(Azure BP) int = 2-3 BM/MM/MC
    +20 BM/MM/MC
    +50 Nanoinit
    -250 HP (Azure BP)

    Code:
    Final stats:
    Stat       Solitus   Nanomage   Opifex   Atrox   
    ----------------------------------------------
    BM         2000      2056       1996     1955
    MM         1996      2052       1992     1951
    MC         1703      1752       1695     1674
    Health     10319     8699       10029    11600
    Nano       9460      11303      9225     7650
    Nanoinit   2102      2141       2139     2075
    ----------------------------------------------
    Selfbuffed DOT's & Heal's:
    Nanomage: Heal=Best DOT-A=Best DOT-B=Best DOT-C=Best
    Solitus: Heal=2nd DOT-A=2nd DOT-B=Best DOT-C=Best
    Opifex: Heal=2nd DOT-A=2nd DOT-B=Best DOT-C=Best
    Atrox: Heal=3rd DOT-A=2nd DOT-B=Best DOT-C=Best

    Composite-Infuse would be enough for Solitus/Opifex, Atrox would need Composite-Mochams


    As you can see Nanomage with a +20 Prof. Horn Vest can cast the best heal selfbuffed without org contracts and Pand. loot. A solitus would have to try get 50 nanoskills from either (or both) in order to selfcast it, but it's possible for sure. Atrox however would always (as of now, perhaps we get better BM/MM items in the future) need outside buffs from MP/Trader.

    Opifex and Solitus hardly differ. Opifex is less good then Solitus in everything 'cept nanoinit. It's however not a big difference; hardly any.


    So what breed do you want to choose?
    Level 100
    Forget the nanoskill difference, they are near to none. Forget the ability colours unless you need to aim at IP costs at that level. The real difference is HP and Nano amounts. Do you want to be able to heal yourself (and others) more or do you want to be able to withstand more hits? Twink's usually would prefer more health while "levellers" may want to read further to see what the future brings to their breed.

    Level 200
    Only a small difference in nanoskills (Unless your a lucky nanomage with a Vest) and this hardly matters at all; every breed is selfcasting their nanos at this level. I'd even dare say a level 200 Atrox is the best breed if you want to stay 200 because you won't run out of nano anyways and enjoy more HP. I doubt there are many people that do not plan in levelling a lvl 200 character though. Because of the 1200 init-border the extra (or less) Nanoinit does not matter at all.

    Level 220
    A Nanomage would have an easier time casting the best heals in Shadowlands while an Atrox enjoys a bigger Health-bar (certainly useful to have in Shadowland when soloing). The choice between Opifex and Solitus would only be one out of looks then skills (unless you plan on using Tier3 armor who needs godly amounts of Sta). Funnely enough Atrox is the breed that will find it "easy" to equip QL300 Tier3 armor. With the amount of MP's running around (and the duration of their nanos) none of the breeds would mean "being a gimp": they all will selfcast the best nano with outside buffs. Add org contracts and you'll find it even easier casting the best nanos.
    Last edited by Letah; Mar 10th, 2004 at 00:52:12.

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    nice work :>
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  3. #3
    Great work! I love to see it put into "simple" numbers like this.

  4. #4
    Very interesting
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    very interesting post. thank you!
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  6. #6
    ROOOOOOT!

    great stuff as usuall Letah, you never fail to amaze
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  7. #7
    WTB breed reset

    tyvm letah
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    Letah, any chance you could include some of the more comon weapon skills in there aswell? pistol, shotty, 2he/b, 1he/b, Fast attack, Assult rifle burst and fling (for james), Multi ranged/melee, etc...
    just call me the idea monkey

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    Originally posted by Jynne
    Maybe that can be an ad campaign: "AO - like methadone for slots junkies"?

  9. #9
    Very nice analysis…
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  10. #10
    Originally posted by LtBurlap
    Letah, any chance you could include some of the more comon weapon skills in there aswell? pistol, shotty, 2he/b, 1he/b, Fast attack, Assult rifle burst and fling (for james), Multi ranged/melee, etc...
    That would clutter this post too much as its main concern are doctor skills. I'd advice you download/search for a skill emulator and check those yourself Or use the base value of MC as that caps the same as pistol.

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  11. #11
    Awww... WTB "Turn spirit (breed=solitus)"

    Great work on the "guide", tho, it makes it all a lot easyer
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    Re: The real differences between breeds

    Code:
    LvL 200
    Stat       Solitus   Nanomage   Opifex   Atrox   
    ----------------------------------------------
    BM         719       727        715      699
    MM         719       727        715      699
    MC         659       664        656      445
    Health     3197      2312       2992     3893
    Nano       4167      5315       3952     3012
    Nanoinit   719       718        731      707
    ----------------------------------------------
    Atrox MC perhaps 645, not 445?

    Regardless of the typo, truly Amazing work, Letah.

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  13. #13
    Oops yeah typo, corrected. Ty

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  14. #14
    Originally posted by Legendin
    Awww... WTB "Turn spirit (breed=solitus)"

    Great work on the "guide", tho, it makes it all a lot easyer
    Your a nanomage, be happy you'll be casting BI self at 220!

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    Lets not forget nanomage sb!
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  16. #16
    nice =)
    chars.
    220 enfa
    220 doca
    220 keepa
    220 shada
    220 engia
    220 crata
    200 ma/fixa/nta/enfa

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  18. #18
    very impressive work.
    Thx Letah.

  19. #19
    Thanks for the info
    Guess im not all that gimped being solitus, heh
    Even though I'll not be able to cast the "uba heal" without outside buffs
    but anyways, thats still 80 levels away
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  20. #20
    Originally posted by Toxinator
    WTB breed reset
    I second that!

    Letah you are the uber, thanks a million for the info!

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