I'm really frustrated and upset about VP.

[juggalotus]

I've quit playing many times since le came out... i keep quiting a month then comming back to try to see if i can deal with my frustration but within a month i get annoyed again and quit again for a month or two.

I hate pvp with a passion i don't like to think about it or be around it especially not take part in it.

But i want vp so i can get items so i try and try and try to deal with the constant frustration.. even when i am not at bs and doing stuff that i usually enjoy i constantly think about how i feel forced to do bs for vp and i get angry.

I've talked about this subject with people in game and state how the only reasonable way to get vp for me is to do something that makes me want to slit my wrists.

And people say le missions are a good source of vp and i don't have to do BS.. but i don't understand how people can say that.

I mean am i stupid or missing a part of the puzzle?

The way i see it if i do a le missions and loot vp and am the only one looting, what happens isi get left by behind the team and im not fighting anything because i am behind them looting the corpses they leave behind, and if the team isn't fast at killing then they are probably a lowbie team and others in the team are also looting so in the end i walk out with crap vp which isn't worth the annoyance of stopping to loot the corpses.

People don't invite others to just loot corpses usually... they usually need the damage and heals a person brings even if just to speed up the grind.

Please someone explain to me how the LE missions are a good source of VP because people tell me i don't have to do bs for vp and can just do le missions but
unless im soling the whole mission i don't see how.

And if i could/wanted to do LE missions solo i wouldn't be playing mmorp'g' i'd sjst play a console or a rpg/rts/sim ffs.

either way im upset... either im right and the system is screwed and FC is trying to force me to do/like something i will never like or wrong andi am missing something these people who tell me to do le missions aren't.. unfortunately people tell me le missions are a good alternative to BS but they don't give me an explaination on how.

FC is really making me angry i really don't understand why vp can't just be given as a reward when the mission is completed ffs.. something reasonable.. it wouldn't be hard to do but apparently either FC doesn't want to or just doesn't GAF about people like me (if there are people who agree).

i can't see any reason not to just remove vp looting and give everyone a vp reward at the end.

I love this game so much but every time i quit for a few months i get closer to moving on for good an this is issue that might make it happen for me.


Someone explain to me how i can make atleast 40k vp in less then 10 times the time it takes to gain it from bs or whatever because i don't see it. LE vs bs vp gains are not fair for people who do not want to pvp at all and don't really even want to have to do them solo if they could.

When i bs i don't even try to kill anyone i just either sit around annoyed by the fact i need to be there or i try to capture control points and i can't take being there when i really don't want to be and feel forced into it.

Im sure people that like pvp or don't mind it don't have any issues with things the way they are but unless i am alone in this something needs to be done.

Would people who really enjoy bs be upset that people could do LE missions and get vp for completion of the mission?

Maybe if LE gave an amount equal to the average amount a person can get from bs people would do bs less and that would annoy the people who like doing bs.

But all FC would have to do is decide what amount of vp they want a person to get from le missions and just give it as a reward ffs, yeah it would obviously be more efficient for people to do bs for vp but i know atleast i would be happier.

I mean man, i personally want vp rewards more the the gfx update because the gfx don't annoy me and vp reward wouldn't be hard to implement im almost certain of it probably wouldn't even take them long to do it.

Am i the only person playing this game that doesn't want to pvp at all and doesn't feel vp from le missions are fair?

[juggalotus]

dang that post was long, sorry about that.

Most people probably won't even try to read it all i bet.

[Mekh]

I agree and feel with you... Not quite to the extent that it makes me wanna quit AO, but I agree with you

[Chrys]

Maybe get some other armor as an alternative if you can't stand the notion of getting ofab?

[juggalotus]

Originally Posted by Chrys Maybe get some other armor as an alternative if you can't stand the notion of getting ofab?

I can stand the notion of ofab i just can't stand the notion of needing to do bs to get it.

I mean all they have to do to make me happy is make a vp reward for le missions.

even if it's just like 50 or 100 i'd fell better.

Why we need to loot the corpses makes no sense to me jsut come up with a number that would make LE missions not as good an option as bs and have it given as a mission reward can even scale the missions reward it probably wouldn't be that hard to figure out.

They came up with numbers for winning/losing bs they could do it for le missions... why not?

Because this is a pvp game and pve is just a tool to help pvp?

So they cant' use common sense to make things fair for pvp'ers and pve'ers?

Someone correct me if i am wrong my logic has been flawed because i was missing things that once stated made me realize i was wrong.

But i see no reason why le missions cant' have vp reward other then fc want to force me to pvp.

I feel like im a victim in one of the SAW movies.. Die or maim your self and live.

[lordran]

Most people in BS are not there for VP. Title farming ftw!!

BS is a true battle between the Omni's and Clans. I don't really see it as PVP, it's more like team vs team.

BTW, I did +/- 8 BS wars a day and I got all the VP I needed in two weeks.

[juggalotus]

Originally Posted by lordran Most people in BS are not there for VP. Title farming ftw!! BS is a true battle between the Omni's and Clans. I don't really see it as PVP, it's more like team vs team. BTW, I did +/- 8 BS wars a day and I got all the VP I needed in two weeks.

well i can't stand it for more then an hour or 2 and i have to force myself to even signup so i try it for a few hours a week.. and for some reason msot of the tiem i do it my side loses which jsut make the whole thing that much annoying.

I don't care about pvp team or solo i don't care about titles so being there is like being an atheist and going to church because your family makes you or for whatever reason and not wanting to be there.

[lordran]

I also found it a bit of drag since I'm not into pvp. But well.... I just had to do it to get the OFAB parts I needed. Atm there is no other option I'm affraid.

I would like to get my lvl 60 sold twink in full Ofab, but almost nobody is in BS at that level. Dunno what lvl you are, but if you look at it that way the situation for lvl 210+ is not really bad or something. It just takes some time, but every time you get enough VP to buy the Armor part you really want makes it worthwile.

My advice would be to make it as good as possible. Just get into the BS and maybe even get a team. If you get a good team the chance you get killed is much lower. PVP is a part of this game and with LE around you just can't do without it.

[NotDavidBowi]

I kind of feel the same way. My toon is currently approaching 220 but has gimp gear for its lvl. The way i could ungimp myself is farming about 80-100k VP for all the ql300 armor and nanos im going to need. This means i have to do loads of BS while wearing gimp gear, while most other pll in there are finished 220 toons that are just there for fun.

I won't be of much use in the BS, which annoys myself and won't do any good to the chances of my faction winning either.

If LE is the pvm equivalent of pvp bs victory points farming then the rewards should be the same, because currently its forcing everyone to go to BS even if they hate pvp.

[Chrys]

lol no one is being forced. If you hate pvp that much, get tier armor, it's only marginally worse than ofab (in fact, most ofab stats are ripped off tier... so that should tell you something). The thought of grinding for a BoC can turn people off in equal measure... the simple solution? Learn to live with an alternative!

And p.s. the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of everything imaginable in this game is acquired from PVM. Just because one silly set of armor and weapons is acquirable in PVP faster than it is in PVM doesn't mean that "this is a pvp game and pve is just a tool to help pvp". Guess what, it's not "easy" to get end-game armor (which is what AI and Ofab armor is) - never has been, never should be (tier 3 used to be very hard to get, and if not, expensive, before AI/LE started to nerf it). The easier way is through PVP, the grindy way is through PVM. If you don't like it, find an alternative armor - there's plenty out there.

[NotDavidBowi]

Originally Posted by Chrys lThe easier way is through PVP, the grindy way is through PVM. If you don't like it, find an alternative armor - there's plenty out there.

I want the best armor out there for my toon, which means Ofab back and gloves are a must. To be honest i think everyones target in this game is to get the best equipment possible. Apart from those armorpieces there are loads of nanos too that can only be acquired by farming VP.

LE vp farming= very slow VP farming and boring as crap. You will need to ninja corpses cause theres usually others that ninja too. Waiting for the body to be lootable means you will fall behind the team and cant help much dd wise. You will usually end up with around 50vp a mission and a annoyed team because they see that you're not doing any dd.

BS vp farming= Boring too if you have a pvm setup and not wearing uber gear. At least you gain VP alot faster. Another pro is that you can go semi afk, but surely thats not what FC had in mind when they designed BS.

So in the end i don't really like doing both of them, but since BS is faster i'll take that. If it means i have to go sit in a corner with APT up then i will. Getting good gear in AO always means a lot of grinding anyway, so why not take the fast way?

[juggalotus]

if you think it's dumb to want vp reward from le missions then say so.. if you can't understand how a non-pvp'er feels like they are being pushed into doing some thing that they really don't want to do then say so...... but saying just get t2 might seem like a good idea and it maybe but this isn't about how good or bad ofab is it's about how unfair it is to expect a team of people to stop and loot vp and share when even if you do it solo and get all the vp it doesn't add up to much.

I don't see why vp reward for le missions would bother any if it was still alot faster to do bs.
I'm personally am not complaining about the time it takes to gain vp in bs, ffs i have spent countless hours killing heckers in sl and doing sl mission because i like killing mobs with a team and having a role so if i actually could deal with or like pvp i'd have really loved bs and would probably done nothing but it for months atleast.

So le missions having vp rewards seems very reasonable to me as long as people are still better off doing bs.

I have always liked ao because it had variaty of options you can choose your grind you or your equip.

FC says we have 2 options... BS for VP or kill alians well that might be true but as it is now the other option is almost not an option when you take into account we need get 30 ai levels and most tl7 teams are trying to run through the mission asap because they need to kill an insane ammount of aliens, stopping to loot everything slows down the mission and they can just kick you and get someone else. and then tl4/5 team usually 1-3 others are stopping to loot corpses as well occasionally which means less vp for you if you where to stop and loot corpses..


oh and here is the kicker not every corpse has vp so there is in moe time wasted.

I don't see what the problem is vp rewards makes nothing but sense to me i can't see anything wrong with it.

But fc won't do it even if it makes perfect sense i bet and it's annoying and the fact that probably the majority of people are fine with it the way it is (because they have no problem getting vp) just gives fc less reason to want to change it. So i am forced to deal with something that makes no sense at all. It's kinda hard for me to accept that and it eats away at me.

[Chrys]

Originally Posted by bowicrat I want the best armor out there for my toon, which means Ofab back and gloves are a must. To be honest i think everyones target in this game is to get the best equipment possible. Apart from those armorpieces there are loads of nanos too that can only be acquired by farming VP. LE vp farming= very slow VP farming and boring as crap. You will need to ninja corpses cause theres usually others that ninja too. Waiting for the body to be lootable means you will fall behind the team and cant help much dd wise. You will usually end up with around 50vp a mission and a annoyed team because they see that you're not doing any dd. BS vp farming= Boring too if you have a pvm setup and not wearing uber gear. At least you gain VP alot faster. Another pro is that you can go semi afk, but surely thats not what FC had in mind when they designed BS. So in the end i don't really like doing both of them, but since BS is faster i'll take that. If it means i have to go sit in a corner with APT up then i will. Getting good gear in AO always means a lot of grinding anyway, so why not take the fast way?

You evidently don't remember farming/KSing/ODing/spawncamping FRNs (and I wasn't even around to remember the bots needed to get Azure armor via points!). The "best" armor comes at a cost, and LE mishes are an alternative... maybe it is slow but it is there, with none of the associated griefing that getting some armors used to have. And if you really want to get good armor, you can easily farm PBs, pearls, etc. and simply buy AI armor which is usually better than ofab in almost every spot (meaning that you need a whole lot less VPs for your ofab).
When you get to 220, if you haven't discovered a reliable way to make money (and zomg, it's a bit of a grind too!), then you're doing something wrong.

As for juggalotus:

if you can't understand how a non-pvp'er feels like they are being pushed into doing some thing that they really don't want to do then say so

lol, lol and lol. As a PVPer, I really hate the fact that I'm forced to join zergbots and farm points to get my endgame buffgear/symbs/etc so I can twink to better PVP. But guess what, for a while I simply decided I'd live without them. Then when I decided screw that, I want my phats, I buckled down and joined the PVM grind (and am still on it, a year later, even after ofab was long done and dusted). So it's no different from your ofab/BS. Just because you don't enjoy every aspect of the game simply means you should adjust your expectations: If you want the best stuff, then you'll have to dedicate yourself to doing lots of things that are extremely challenging for you (e.g. PVP), or else buckle down and grind.

[Falkvinge]

Didn't some dev mention that ofab stuff is more pvp than pvm related?.. And didn't that dev also mention, that you normally don't get pvp items from pvm encounters et vice versa ?

[NotDavidBowi]

Originally Posted by Chrys You evidently don't remember farming/KSing/ODing/spawncamping FRNs (and I wasn't even around to remember the bots needed to get Azure armor via points!). The "best" armor comes at a cost, and LE mishes are an alternative... maybe it is slow but it is there, with none of the associated griefing that getting some armors used to have. And if you really want to get good armor, you can easily farm PBs, pearls, etc. and simply buy AI armor which is usually better than ofab in almost every spot (meaning that you need a whole lot less VPs for your ofab). When you get to 220, if you haven't discovered a reliable way to make money (and zomg, it's a bit of a grind too!), then you're doing something wrong.

I know AI armor is better in most slots and i will get that, im only planning to farm backslot, helmet, gloves and all the nanos. Still quite a few VP (80-100k). I remember FRN farming, but with a few lucky ai raids you could just buy everything you needed. Credz are not the problem, we are talking about VP here.
The thing that buggers me is that the pvm VPfarming is by far not as rewarding as pvp VPfarming. If it would have been i would gladly farm LE mish untill i had enough VP, but unfortunatly it isnt. I'm only settleing for the best armor on my toon, so if that involves letting myself get killed a few days while being semi afk instead of ninjaing aliens for 2 months then ill do that.

Originally Posted by Falkvinge Didn't some dev mention that ofab stuff is more pvp than pvm related?.. And didn't that dev also mention, that you normally don't get pvp items from pvm encounters et vice versa ?

Well the OFAB items and nanos I need are by far the best for either PvM or PvP, and since im planning to do both when i hit 220 i won't settle for anything else.

[juggalotus]

Originally Posted by Chrys As for juggalotus: lol, lol and lol. As a PVPer, I really hate the fact that I'm forced to join zergbots and farm points to get my endgame buffgear/symbs/etc so I can twink to better PVP. But guess what, for a while I simply decided I'd live without them. Then when I decided screw that, I want my phats, I buckled down and joined the PVM grind (and am still on it, a year later, even after ofab was long done and dusted). So it's no different from your ofab/BS. Just because you don't enjoy every aspect of the game simply means you should adjust your expectations: If you want the best stuff, then you'll have to dedicate yourself to doing lots of things that are extremely challenging for you (e.g. PVP), or else buckle down and grind.

I've heard that argument so many times.

All i can say is i think it's nonsense, most of us know if a game is mostly pvp based or not and what we are getting into.. i have not tried certain games just because the game was designed more toward pvp i knew AO was a mix of both worlds and that there would be a lot of pvm content for me.. you had to have known that too when you decided to login for the first time.

But fc didn't tell you this........

"it will be perfectly possible to get to 220 without having to kill many npc's,
If you mainly just kill other players though it will go slower proportionality then someone who kills npc's for the same amount of time you spend killing other players"

Originally Posted by Silirrion The battlestations provide more reward victory point wise then then the alien missions, but it will be perfectly possible to save enough VP for items from alien missions alone if you prefer to not PVP. If you do just alien missions though it will though go slower proportionality then someone who pvps for the same amount of time in the battlestations.

[Chrys]

Ok... seeing as we've been here before, and I've stated my views on this quite forcefully, I'll shut up now...

P.S. It's been said blatantly even before LE came out that Ofab items are a pvp reward (but also possible - didn't say easy - to get via pvm, so whining that you didn't expect it is... well... *bites tongue*

[juggalotus]

Originally Posted by Chrys Ok... seeing as we've been here before, and I've stated my views on this quite forcefully, I'll shut up now... P.S. It's been said blatantly even before LE came out that Ofab items are a pvp reward (but also possible - didn't say easy - to get via pvm, so whining that you didn't expect it is... well... *bites tongue*

OMG Need me to write it out in crayons for you?

Some of us aren't "whining" about time or that it's easier for pvp'ers ffs.

I am are are saying the differance is unreasonable reasonable when you take into account the need to check every corpse and share and in the end come out with crap vp and wasted time checking corpses when you could of been moving on to the next mob we have to do alot of alien missions even if there was a 500 (which i think would be too much) vp reward still would need to do alot for aixp and ofab upgrades.

Even though some people might just want vp reward for LE missions so it would be faster or as fast as doing bs there is no reason to have a problem with the suggestion of vp rewards that i can see you people just shoot it down because you "think" everyone who wants a vp reward is a freaking carebare and wants everything to be overly easy.

it would be nice if someone actually said something constructive about why le missions having some sort of vp reward would be bad.

I really don't care if it's a low amount of vp reward because i stopped even bothering to stop and loot the corpses. Even if it was only 100 vp for reward per mission thats better then nothing or what i sometimes got sharing. I'm not asking for 1k vp as a reward per mission i don't think anyone in their right mind would.. i am aware that it needs to be alto faster from bs because alto of people like to pvp and when they get bored of pvp they get bored of the game.

I jsut think removing it as loot and setting a set reward or a sacleable one with the right amount to keep it so that bs is still alot faster would be ok for those who don't care and might make others happy.. and the fact fc hasn't done it yet makes me think they don't care and are just trying to force me to do bs over and over hoping one day i'll like it.

[Mekh]

This is why I think some peeople always defend the current situation:

The die-hard hard-core peeveepee'rs are afraid they will loose to much access to gimp, low-level, PvM perked, and PvM equipped cannon-fodder they can use to boost their epeen kill counter with...

Not saying that is the case, but to me it sure looks like it and always have.

[Chrys]

Originally Posted by Mekh This is why I think some peeople always defend the current situation: The die-hard hard-core peeveepee'rs are afraid they will loose to much access to gimp, low-level, PvM perked, and PvM equipped cannon-fodder they can use to boost their epeen kill counter with... Not saying that is the case, but to me it sure looks like it and always have.

Actually, part of the reason I don't go to BS much is that killing a bunch of gimp greenies isn't much fun Much prefer towers or tara :P

Sorry jug if I got you wrong, but certainly if your only complaint is the fact that you have to stop and loot corpses... well gawsh that's terrible