Self only AAD to evades/NR def on high def profs.

[Gatester]

If it turns out that Crats and Fixers are quite easy to perk (especially NR based perks) would it be reasonable to shift some of their self only AAD buffing into evade/dodge/duck and Nano Resist stats instead? I am not sure about the other professions but my main concern is with Crats and Fixers.

[Sterva]

My crat has 1800ish evades on a good day. It's not exactly a question of if.

[Klod9002]

Originally Posted by Gatester If it turns out that Crats and Fixers are quite easy to perk (especially NR based perks) would it be reasonable to shift some of their self only AAD buffing into evade/dodge/duck and Nano Resist stats instead? I am not sure about the other professions but my main concern is with Crats and Fixers.

No, I think not. Evade profs should have been perkable by high nano skill profs from day one. I'm glad that's finally getting fixed.

[Hacre]

Originally Posted by Sterva My crat has 1800ish evades on a good day. It's not exactly a question of if.

Crat NR isn't wonderful either don't forget. My NT's NR is better and everything you don't want to land, does, so perks checking Crat NR are going to be pretty much a no brainer. I know my NT, apart from BM and MM, has more in each nanoskill than I ever had NR on my Crat.

[ragerayden]

Originally Posted by Klod9002 No, I think not. Evade profs should have been perkable by high nano skill profs from day one. I'm glad that's finally getting fixed.

Playing a pure evade prof on a regular basis should be a pre-requisite for making such statement.

[Frubaliscious]

Originally Posted by Klod9002 No, I think not. Evade profs should have been perkable by high nano skill profs from day one. I'm glad that's finally getting fixed.

holy ***t! I'm gonna have to finally agree with Klod...damn u!

[Bubbacrush]

Originally Posted by ragerayden Playing a pure evade prof on a regular basis should be a pre-requisite for making such statement.

Lol?

[Sterva]

Originally Posted by Klod9002 No, I think not. Evade profs should have been perkable by high nano skill profs from day one. I'm glad that's finally getting fixed.

And support profs shouldn't have AS noob cannons and blockers. Wanna go there? In the interest of fairness, I think that should get fixed too.

[Gatester]

Well I can support evade profs (fixer and Crat) being vulnerable to NR based attacks/perks, but only if it is their only real weakness as there is a lot of NR based offense. However, wouldn't Crats need to be anti-caster as well since they would be unable to heal the easy damage?

[Doniger]

IMO any profession who wants to do lots of damage (ergo having high offense) should do so at the expense of their defense. There should be a balance between offense (damage dealt) and defense. If you want your profession to do damage, you should sacrifice defense as a result. If you want to be defensive, you should sacrifice offense (and damage dealt). Offense or defense... pick ONE!

[Sterva]

Originally Posted by Doniger IMO any profession who wants to do lots of damage (ergo having high offense) should do so at the expense of their defense. There should be a balance between offense (damage dealt) and defense. If you want your profession to do damage, you should sacrifice defense as a result. If you want to be defensive, you should sacrifice offense (and damage dealt). Offense or defense... pick ONE!

I support this!

Crats will get in line, right after soldiers, engies, NTs, trader, advs, enfs, etc...

[Hacre]

Originally Posted by Sterva I support this! Crats will get in line, right after soldiers, engies, NTs, trader, advs, enfs, etc...

NTs sacrifice a ton of burst damage by using NS2 and sacrifice NS2 by going for the burst damage. Since you can see when NTs pop NBG now as well as how long it has remaining as well as the nano depletion and how long is left on that I think you can safely say NTs are accomplishing what you're supporting there with your tongue in cheek comment.

That said, I don't think any profession should be highly vulnerable, just because they want to be able to kill people.

Hurr @ you including Traders and NTs in the same group as Advies though

[Klod9002]

Originally Posted by Sterva And support profs shouldn't have AS noob cannons and blockers.

I agree.

[Doniger]

Originally Posted by Hacre That said, I don't think any profession should be highly vulnerable, just because they want to be able to kill people.

Sacrificing offense for defense does not automatically mean unable to kill people or being highly vulnerable. Compare to AoC (just for the sake of the argument):

If you go all out offense, you do more damage, but at the expense of your defense. This means that you will kill people faster, but you are also more vulnerable to attacks. In other words, your ability to killing people fast, is balanced with you being able to be killed fast.

If you go all out defense, you do less damage, but can take more damage (evade, resist, idk). So you will be able to survive a lot longer, but you wont be able to deal as much damage and it will take time to kill people. Your ability to survive, is balanced with your reduced damage to opponents.

I dont see why this could not also apply to AO. We already have a control in place that could be used for this. The agg/def bar.

[notcrattey]

High evade profs should be perkable by NR based perks.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Originally Posted by notcrattey High evade profs should be perkable by NR based perks.

whats high evades?

And if so, high evade profs should be nearly unhittable by melee and ranged attacks

[tweeeek]

Originally Posted by McKnuckleSamwich whats high evades? And if so, high evade profs should be nearly unhittable by melee and ranged attacks

except for high ar profs which have a increased chance at hitting them

[Fifty50]

A perkable fixer is a dead fixer.

I have ~2300 NR in a "perfect" end game setup, these perk changes defiantly needs review and what you are suggesting could be a solution. I mean the support professions that will be using these perks, already had more than enough tools to pierce trough fixer defenses.. this on top = auto win imho.

[Klod9002]

Originally Posted by Fifty50 I mean the support professions that will be using these perks, already had more than enough tools to pierce trough fixer defenses.. this on top = auto win imho.

No, only NTs had the right tools to do that. The rest of us had to rely on AS alone, which is now getting nerfed.

[Hacre]

Originally Posted by Fifty50 A perkable fixer is a dead fixer. I have ~2300 NR in a "perfect" end game setup, these perk changes defiantly needs review and what you are suggesting could be a solution. I mean the support professions that will be using these perks, already had more than enough tools to pierce trough fixer defenses.. this on top = auto win imho.

With ~2300 NR you'll be surprised how many of the vs NR perks won't actually land on you, given the attack skills used.

Hell you're not far off dodging an NT's NR checking perk without CB running.