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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 15:27:41   #1
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Cool The old servers?

Just a thought.

Old server (if they are still around). Classic aka fr00b content only with the organisation chat channels.

I would pay for that. (access to the server not an account upgrade "you are now trapped" thing)

I don't like the expansions they make the game too easy (in many ways) and just a longer search for cookie cutter items.

Would like character transfers for fr00b accounts but would be happy to restart.

(I bet a lot of people would pay to see me go to that server too.)

--------- to clarify:

fr00b != pre-SL

Exactly the same as the current servers except that the expansions, SL, AI and LE are disabled.
So there is minimal coding.


Paid server that is expansion free.

(toss in a buy one get one free so I could let a friend in or have a buffing alts account and you have your first sales gimmick)

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Okay to be more clear


Leave Rimor and Atlantean, exactly as they are or merge them to increase the player density.


Seperately;

The old server is brought back online. Accounts page has an option added to pay for access to that server.

Expansion free server.
No Shadowlands, no Hecks, no need to get more items when you have "finished" your toon. No laggy cities, (towers yes :>S as part of free content) no Fugly Lagfront shop.

Get to add a second account under yours so that a friend can join you or you have your alternative toons account.

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I bump the idea of making a pre-expansions server for paid customers. Maybe include NW. And bring back the old 25% areas

Perks are pretty much what ruined the creative end of equipping a weapon. Most got stuck with 1 type with good perks in it to be useful.
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Despite some flaming , there has been support for the idea from:
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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 15:39:56   #2
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Hell, I'd go for it!!!
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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 16:48:05   #3
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Hehe, could be fun.

Tho, would be painful for FC to sort out bugfixes and other important patches from the content patches
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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 21:21:10   #4
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Just disallow expansions on account level for that server. Most would want the full client with the expansions anyway.
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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 21:53:41   #5
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Well, for that to happen, you would have to discontinue the froob program, because, why would you pay for the base game when you already get it free?

Given that, why would you "pay" for a base game that is 6 years old with no improvements? You get the same level of difficulty as a froob on the current servers. The only difference is you have the extra resources of paid players assistance. There would not be enough converts to support the extra server running.

Maybe you think that having your own server would mean less camping of RK dynas or maybe pvp would be easier for froobs? Well:

1. RK dynas would be more heavily camped because all players on the basic server would be stuck with RK only.

2. People who play for PVP reasons tend to want the best gear. Those players have the "I want to be uber" mentality. You cannot be uber when your gun does min damage of 1.

So, in all fairness, I think this would be a bad idea, though at first glance not so much.

Really though, you get the "hard" gameplay of the basic game as a froob. Maybe you don't team as much, but that is because the game is dying. The population is scarce for both paid and free players. If you hate the paid players, maybe you should play an RPG instead of an MMORPG? (That not being an insult but a serious suggestion.)
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Old Nov 6th, 2007, 08:54:52   #6
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I would be paying for having an expansion free server.

Didn't consider the mobs...

Maybe and ARK program where we can add to the game with moderation on the content (by Funcom), areas and mobs added?

Would require an editing tool ...

Extra Zones exist. Would be thrilled to see Rubi-ka city and tower free.


(Especially Phasefront free !!!)

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2. People who play for PVP reasons tend to want the best gear. Those players have the "I want to be uber" mentality. You cannot be uber when your gun does min damage of 1.
They could get RK best equipment.

I like the content of the game, the classic content.

This is not about stopping the other servers just having a place that is expansion free and if it is PvPer free and attracts more social and PvM players, I wouldn't think that is a bad thing.


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... but that is because the game is dying. The population is scarce for both paid and free players.
Too sadly true and I am trying to suggest ways to prevent and turn it around. More marketing is needed once the game is different and we have something to sell again.

Consider Ultima Online, still alive and kicking despite so many things. Prefered interface 2D not the new 3D one. Why? Content.

Expansions might give the company a cash injection but long term they are killing the game.

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...If you hate the paid players, maybe you should play an RPG instead of an MMORPG? (That not being an insult but a serious suggestion.)....
I don't hate player. Take too much energy to hate. Some I avoid and some I dislike a bit for awhile.

This is about content and the game mechanics and how I dislike expansions and finding out if other people dislike them too and would like this idea.

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Old Nov 7th, 2007, 00:19:05   #7
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Old Nov 7th, 2007, 06:02:47   #8
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I would be paying for having an expansion free server.


I like the content of the game, the classic content.

This is not about stopping the other servers just having a place that is expansion free and if it is PvPer free and attracts more social and PvM players, I wouldn't think that is a bad thing.



Expansions might give the company a cash injection but long term they are killing the game.




I don't hate player. Take too much energy to hate. Some I avoid and some I dislike a bit for awhile.

This is about content and the game mechanics and how I dislike expansions and finding out if other people dislike them too and would like this idea.
I don't know, maybe you went all nostalgic on us. I can't imagine Funcom advertising a new server that is based on a 6 year old game with no expansions, and none intended. That doesn't make much sense to me, though the editing tool idea might be cool to have.

And just fyi, expansions do not kill a game. They keep the content new and fresh so that players can enjoy the game longer. Yes, there is profit involved but I mean....duh :P

What is killing the game however, is Funcom's extremely pitiful hosting abilities and their general preference of ignoring the customer. The very fact of the expansions however are what keeps the game alive as it is.

Yes the scenery was nice without the cities, but the cities also contribute more to the sci-fi feel of the game.

Keep in mind, I'm just bored at the moment and I am NOT targeting your post for hatred or anything. I generally ignore players that I don't like...much less stress that way. I just read it and felt like posting back.
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Old Nov 7th, 2007, 12:18:10   #9
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bump for edit.

Agreed hosting is bad.

As my signature basically says; expansions don't improve the game, only extend it and make it easier for new comers to catch up past the old content.

(Generally speaking there are quite a few specific small things that have been improvements.)

If they are going to keep the cities. Then:

1) More players to populate them
2) The become useful and needed again
3) make them part of a two weekly patch so they are stored client side and not an instance loading.
4) More zones and space them out further, have grid or woompa points to them and more to offer that the "main" cities have.

5) I am working on an idea I will post when I have more time concerning cities.

((Thanks, didn't come across as a flame to -me- for your information. Resulted in more clarification and a "constructive to be ignored by Funcom post"))
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Old Jul 14th, 2008, 23:42:24   #10
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Bump.

This idea would easily increase FC's revenue from Anarchy Online at very little maintenance cost. New content would no longer mean lost subscriptions for FC.

Keep NW, though.
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Old Jul 14th, 2008, 23:59:14   #11
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 01:03:11   #12
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I swore I replied to this, and I also made a post about this years before this one...

I emailed FC when the news was coming for that uber long downtime for new server hardware asking this very same thing. Short answer: No go.

Found my old post from old account: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...ighlight=retro

If it was no go in 2005, no chance in OP time (2007) or now. Froobs are here for good, and to FC froobs + retro server would be redundant.
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 08:35:49   #13
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We both know it isn't the same thing though.
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 09:56:55   #14
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Of course not. I'd roll a toon to a classic server the day it launched. AO/NW only I say. No SL, AI, LE ever. Just old school fun.

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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 10:03:50   #15
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 10:09:26   #16
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How much ingame support would you expect?
How much content development would you want?
Which patch are we talking about? The one with lootable player corpses and OP traders and 25% gas almost everywhere?

It's not just a matter of turning the server on - people will think "oh cool" then realise how much the game doesn't hold the attraction you thought it does and quit in a week. Sorta like how firing up some old SNES games (or heck, Doom or Dune 2) on an emulator and they're just... meh.
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 11:15:43   #17
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Same as the current ones, only the expansions would be turned off. If they merged the servers, RK3 would do nicely.

So it would have the same updates, the same support as any other server. (Well except ARK wise, might want to source that slave pool from the player population of that server.)
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 12:55:04   #18
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1. I doubt very much FC still have 'the old servers' so chances are to make this work they would have to buy new or even second hand equipment.

2. Maintaining these servers would cost them more money again.

3. I struggle to imagine how this could be marketed to new players..."Come and buy half a game!!"

4. Certainly it holds appeal for some existing players...but of course that would then dilute the existing pool of players on the live servers...though not by much I have to say, as posted above it would be cool for a week at most then just terribly terribly lonely(though that might suit you just fine)

5. As suggested by others, there is nothing stopping anyone from playing the old game...its called the froob program and costs FC and anyone who makes use of it not a penny. I very much doubt any revenue FC get from the froob program would pay for a whole other set of servers for a handful of people to get all nostalgic.

6. It wouldn't be very noob friendly since the vast majority of people it would interest(hmm, lets say maybe 20, nice round number) would be Vets of this game and noobs wouldn't stand a chance.

7. If you disagree with those numbers then perhaps you can explain why since the original post 8 months ago there have been 17 replies. 5 pretty much in favour of the idea, 2 against and 8 from you yourself.

8. Finally, with AoC out and doing well, the new engine for AO in the pipeline and the other project FC are working on(can't recall the name right now) they just don't have the resources for such an undertaking.

ps: would you still train folk in totw on the old servers too?
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 13:00:55   #19
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I didn't think the servers would be around, which is why I suggested using the RK3 hardware if there is a merge.

P.S. You're on forum ignore too now, just thought I would make your day.
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Old Jul 15th, 2008, 13:07:19   #20
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Lalalalalala I can't hear you *fingers in ears*

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I didn't think the servers would be around, which is why I suggested using the RK3 hardware if there is a merge.

P.S. You're on forum ignore too now, just thought I would make your day.
Wow, a post from Jen I truly appreciate \o/

I do wonder why I am being ignored though. My points above are as valid as anyone elses on this thread...and I made 8 points while Jen seems to have replied to only one.

It must be the ps at the end.
Though sticking her head in the sand like an ostrich(which is what ignore is if someone has not been offensive) doesn't change the reality...ask any ostrich hunter
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