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    PVP Section

    Hi guys,

    I'd like to add some form of rudimentary advice regarding PVP as Engineers to my guide.

    I'll happily admit to being a complete cynic in this regard, but I'd much prefer to be able to provide some pointers in the correct direction than just saying we're crap at it.

    So... if anyone can help me out here I'd really appreciate it.

    This is what I have so far:
    Player Vs Player

    PVP is an important part of the game and no guide would be complete without looking at this subject. By its very nature PVP is a fairly advanced subject, and any success requires a fairly broad knowledge of the game.

    Lower level PVP is currently heavily dominated by twinks (Characters made using the resources and knowledge of a higher level character), which makes it difficult for new players to get into.

    This section of the guide was written in conjunction, and with the help of the rest of the members of this forum since my knowledge of PVP as an Engineer isn't so good... so don't ask me about it in game

    Combat Specialist Engineer or Trade-skill Specialist Engineer

    This is one of the first things that effects your ability to fight other players. Trade skills as I've mentioned earlier are a massive drain on IP, to the extent where Combat related skills have to be neglected to a certain extent.

    So first of all, if you want to be really good at fighting then trade skills have to become secondary.

    Skills

    For any combat based profession that is required to take damage Evasion skills are essential. This includes Evade Close Combat, Dodge Ranged, Duck Explosions, Nano Resist and Run Speed.

    In addition to these you need to select a good weapon and make sure you fully utilise any advantages you have over other professions.

    For your weapon choice you should look at maxing all the skills associated with using the weapon, the Initiative type for that weapon.

    Nano Init would also allow you to instantly cast the root / snare breaker on the pet and the offensive auras.

    Maxing out the skills associated with the specials on weapons will decrease the recharge time of that special attack, the fastest this will become is once every 10 seconds.

    Weapon Choices

    Note this is not a definative guide by any extent, I leave the choices to you, I just wanted to present you with some options.

    The choices for PVP combat differ as you level. Some weapons to consider at lower levels might be:
    • Manex Catastrophe - Heavy burst damage, generally a slow weapon. No longer drops in game.
    • X-3 Rifle / Caterwaul Rifle - Rifle and Aimed shot are very popular in PVP. Although an up and coming change to how Aimed Shot works in PVP might make this less useful.

    At higher levels:
    • Pain of Patricia - A level 175+ pistol as mentioned earlier. A very respectable choice. Improves even more if you implant Pistol further as opposed to the Nano skills used to summon your bot.
    • Martial Arts - Fast but highly crit dependant. Utilises slayerform and the damage is relatively good.

    In addition to your weapon choice a scope should always be considered:
    • TIM scope - This is available from TIM in the Foreman's dungeon. Basically a scope to increase Ranged Init, with only a small crit bonus. Very useful for slower but heavy damage weapons like the Manex.
    • Vision Enhancer - This and the next scope reduce initiatives as a price for gaining a critical bonus.
    • Low Light Targetting Scope - This particular scope doesn't drop anymore and can only be bought from players. As a result it's hard to obtain and very expensive.

    Ranged or Close Combat?

    In general I believe Ranged Combat styles to be better for PVP as an Engineer. It allows you the chance to avoid damage by simply not being close enough to your opponent.

    Unlike our Close Combat (Martial Arts) combat style a Root program isn't likely to be the end of the fight for you.

    Nanos
    • Special Blocking shields - Each one of these programs blocks a certain amount of special attacks dealt against you. These include Burst, Full Auto, Dimach, Brawl, Aimed Shot etc. Essential for any fight.
    • Blind Auras - Very powerful auras, but each breaks very easily.
    • Reflect / Damage shield debuff auras - Works against anything from Nullity Sphere to Corruscating Screen.
    • AC, Reflect & Weapon auras - These add additional reflect damage. More damage reflected back each time they hit you. More AC for you. More damage.
    • Snare aura - This one runs on the bot, reducing your opponents run speed drastically to stop them escaping the claws of your bot.
    • Root protection programs - Give your bot a resistance to root and snare programs, however short duration.
    • Root Breakers - Break the roots and Snares and enable your bot to run free, obliterating everything in it's path.

    Tactics

    This section is brief in the extreme. Tactics are something you have to develop for yourself, and are relatively closely guarded secrets to those who have a successful strategy.

    "No battle plan, no matter how perfect survives contact with the enemy"

    Trimmer - Divert Energy to Avoidance can be used to break calms cast against your pet.

    It is highly recommended that you obtain at least 2 root grafts. These are time locked and each will only be usable every 15 minutes or so at QL200.



    Things to watch out for
    • Bureaucrats can charm and calm your robot.
    • Traders can calm and root pets, but generally won't charm because they wouldn't last long.
    • NTs can root and calm pets
    • Enforcers and MAs can scare pets away.

    If you're fighting a player filling their NCU with junk programs in order to prevent them running buffs is considered an exploit.

    Overwriting Soldier Reflect shields and Adventurer or Enforcer Damage shields are also considered exploits.

    For clarification using flaws in the Game Mechanics to obtain unintended benefits is considered an exploit. I only list these here because they come up repeatedly on the forums. So if you have read this and you use it then you have been warned.
    So anyway... ideas, alterations, corrections, or anything that you think may help please.
    Last edited by Highorbit; Jun 2nd, 2003 at 17:49:33.
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  2. #2
    Additional skill to have maxed:

    Runspeed.

    You'll do a lot of running as an Engineer, mostly running away when things aren't going your way. Assuming you're not snared or rooted first, of course.
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    Thanks... added.
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    As for tactics...

    I suppose you can hang behind somewhat in the main group, assuming you are in Tower PvP. Send the 'bot in first, be ready with the Divert Energy to Avoidance trimmer if the bot is calmed, and the anti-root/snare nanos if your bot is suffering from those. Keep the root-aura active, despite the spam you'll get about how your own people can't be PvPed against by you.

    If you use Slayerdroid Transference, many people will recognize what profession you are and target you for an easy kill - which is you will be with enough people shooting.

    Use ranged weapons if you can, melee weapons require you to be close and there are too many professions that are better at close-combat fighting than Engineers.
    -Ward 'Kzak' Hereda, Clan L220, AL15 'Competent' Supreme Creator on Rubi-Ka 1. Equipment setup.

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    Weapon Choices

    The choices for PVP combat differ as you level. Some weapons to consider at lower levels might be:

    Manex
    X-3 Rifle / Catawaul Rifle
    Original Electronicum
    Pain of Patricia
    Martial Arts
    I dont know what you consider lower levels but POP has a lvl 175 req.

    Caterwaul is atm by far the best weapon for tower pvp because of the long range and the fast recharge on AS. However it may not be the best overall choice.
    FC has also announced a AS nerf so dont use your last ipr points to switch to caterwaul.

    If you are defending a base you should consider terminating your pet. You dont want crats to get pets and it cant do much other than beeing a big kick me sign.
    Last edited by Martinn; May 30th, 2003 at 12:49:18.

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    Do add as necessity: posession of at least 2, better 3 different root grafts (for 1on1). W/o em, you better not go to arena as engineer...
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    Fixed the slight error with my forgetting I put lower level weapon suggestions

    Added advice about grafts, but the names might be wrong.

    The entire section is basically in note for at the moment anyway, will be fleshed out a bit before it goes into the guide.
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    You might want to add that using cocoon on a soldier is considered an exploit.

    *Edit*
    Hmm reading other posts on this forum it seems that its not clear if this tactic is considered and exploit or not.
    Last edited by Martinn; May 30th, 2003 at 13:32:01.

  9. #9
    Originally posted by Martinn
    You might want to add that using cocoon on a soldier is considered an exploit.

    *Edit*
    Hmm reading other posts on this forum it seems that its not clear if this tactic is considered and exploit or not.
    Yeah... that's why I initially didn't include it.

    But to be honest as far as I can determine I see no reason why it's not an exploit.

    Effectively it only works against players of your own side since you can't cast friendly programs on a hostile player in a 25% zone or less. However, players on the same side are never considered hostile as far as the game is concerned.

    This would seem to be then to be using a flaw in the game mechanics to gain an advantage, which surely by its very definition is an exploit?

    I'd really like this issue cleared up one way or another though even if I'm flamed lots of suggesting that this trick is an exploit
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    Pile of updates.
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