Support proffesions pvp in Lost Eden.

**Lillagumman** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 12:15:27

Originally Posted by Alternity

Yuz, both you and me need some hawt looking new weapons, for some tag-team action ^^

yupps
crats need snares/roots that actually lands on more than your ordinary gimp soldier and other gimp NR proff. Even hhab makes it harder due to crats not having the uber nanoskills and hhab adds lots.
Spatial sux for us professions that rely on keeping our opponents at range.

**viandante** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 13:29:10

Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick

Symbiants mean nothing, engineer is Control with no control, Trader is Artillery...

AR nerf is what defines support proffesion.

I always though engis controled pets. Control symbiants are for pet classes. (Yes, traders can have pets but they got to "trade" too much for it)

**Zirkonium** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 13:36:16

Engis so need artillery symbiants. Playing around with implants gets boring after some time

**Mastablasta** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 13:54:37

Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick

If mechs were the answer, they wouldnt do obvious nerfs to "ground pvp". With reflects and tms becoming obsolete now when new NT nukes are around, with everyone getting more AR but no one getting equal amount of evades, with cocoon nerf to come, its obvious they are up to something. Something not mech-related.

One problem with this is that these buffs in no way become obsolete due to a few NTs running around. Even if every player on the server played NT reflects wouldn't be obsolete. So stop whining about this and start getting a grip on reality.

Other than that, doctors are now neophytes and up all over because they have great survivability and can dish out ok damage. The problem is mainly MPs and traders that are still suffering. And in battlestation pvp it's not even that bad. The battlestations and the lack of buffs work as a pretty big equalizer and I've seen advs go down to MPs more than once...

It's overall not really as bad as people make it out to be. Come to BS, kill and die with a smile.

**bungerman** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 14:38:05

you mean the MP too out the advy as he was putting up a turret or something? or he was half health with no nano to heal and dof down, regrowth and caccoon in recharge running from the 13 people that couldnt take him down while he capped the core? i think not

**howlin** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 15:20:16

Originally Posted by Mastablasta

I've seen advs go down to MPs more than once...

you see strange things indeed

**IHaveHugeNick** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 15:34:12

Originally Posted by viandante

I always though engis controled pets. Control symbiants are for pet classes. (Yes, traders can have pets but they got to "trade" too much for it)

Its always thought its Control as in Crowd Control - well guess what - engineers dont really have any despite semi-useful blinds.

**Mastablasta** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 15:40:35

Originally Posted by bungerman

you mean the MP too out the advy as he was putting up a turret or something? or he was half health with no nano to heal and dof down, regrowth and caccoon in recharge running from the 13 people that couldnt take him down while he capped the core? i think not

No, the 220 MP that did an adv in by using his stuff right. Like I said so many times before, and indeed in that post above, MPs need <3, but go ahead and denigrate every accomplishment that the players who play it make. Battlestations are a much better equalizer than mechs ever were.
And stop thinking about 1v1 only.

**Mastablasta** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 15:41:37

Originally Posted by gridicool

you see strange things indeed

And you obviously don't even play the game, or are you not out of TOTV yet

**IHaveHugeNick** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 15:42:10

Originally Posted by Mastablasta

One problem with this is that these buffs in no way become obsolete due to a few NTs running around. Even if every player on the server played NT reflects wouldn't be obsolete. So stop whining about this and start getting a grip on reality.

Other than that, doctors are now neophytes and up all over because they have great survivability and can dish out ok damage. The problem is mainly MPs and traders that are still suffering. And in battlestation pvp it's not even that bad. The battlestations and the lack of buffs work as a pretty big equalizer and I've seen advs go down to MPs more than once...

It's overall not really as bad as people make it out to be. Come to BS, kill and die with a smile.

1. cut the "go fight bravely and die" crap, because i'm on BS everyday and i have yet to meet you there 2. Words "quit whining" dont really sound right in your mouth 3. this thread isnt about NTs there are plenty of other threads i we can spam with "nerfed triple".

**Solinja** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 18:03:40

its funny how a thread asking the question about support professions role in pvp ands up in my support prof is far worse off than your support prof. spam.

we all (support professions) agree on that we could use lub for pvp (some more than others) not to bring us to par with infantry (i just use infantry as description for those prof that are able to dd heal evade etc etc) but to make us competetative and make us feel usefull in various pvp situations and not just go "oh theres and infantry unit i might aswell switch to my buffing hotbar cause thats what im gonna use next

"....

i for one think fc has a clearly thought out role for support prof in pvp and its exactly as it is now and nothings gonna change about that (hasnt the last 5 years so why now ?)...

ohoh boss coming gotta continue another time

**windcaster** · Feb 2nd, 2007, 21:41:35

Originally Posted by IHaveHugeNick

Its always thought its Control as in Crowd Control - well guess what - engineers dont really have any despite semi-useful blinds.

i dunno.. i guess that means exterminate symbs is for exterminating people? or maybe they mean the wearer cause exterm symb suck the big one.

honestly i'd love to see profession restrictionsn removed from symbiants..
that way you could pick and match which ones best suit you rather then be forced into symb vs implant situations.

also even if for example my mp had full infantry symbiants i still would'nt beable to match a weapon profession.. and would'nt really raise my AR much cause i already have implants for my weapons

it would however make it easier on me and give me supporting skills like weapon specials and inits which are very hard to come by for mp

Originally Posted by Mastablasta

No, the 220 MP that did an adv in by using his stuff right. Like I said so many times before, and indeed in that post above, MPs need <3, but go ahead and denigrate every accomplishment that the players who play it make. Battlestations are a much better equalizer than mechs ever were.
And stop thinking about 1v1 only.

what was their name? i'd love to talk to them.. maybe the profession is so hard to play that all but a select few are actually playing it right and the other 99% of us are total gimp noobs..

and we can't help but think 1v1.. every profession should have a "gotcha" ability.. ours woudl be NSD only thats not very effective on some professions that dont need incombat nanos.. or if we can't survive or hurt them long enough to make them need it.. not to mention it's seriously screwed tl6 and totaly broken tl7

1v1? so i should only focus on team pvp where i can (if im lucky) hide behind advy's, ma's, keepers, sol's, and enf's?
last i checked taunts dont work on players, they always go for the weakest link.. which is mp.. unless doc is in the group in which case they'll go for them first to remove the life line.

**Avari** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 10:48:00

Originally Posted by Mastablasta

Other than that, doctors are now neophytes and up all over because they have great survivability and can dish out ok damage

I fail to see how titles work as an argument. Everyone can farm a title and with the increased amount of people PvPing now, higher titles come as a natural result, seeing the pyramid system of PvP points now has a broader foundation. So really, Neophyte now might be comparable to Apprentice pre-LE, just look at all the experienced/experts running around now, pre-LE that was a rather rare sight.

I don't see AS every 11 seconds as "ok" dmg either tbh, and if you means DoTs, erh, well that's way below "ok" dmg if you are not directly farming dmg on people to get points instead of healing your surroundings and actually play the role you do best...

**Lunaspell** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 12:22:32

Originally Posted by Solinja

its funny how a thread asking the question about support professions role in pvp ands up in my support prof is far worse off than your support prof. spam.

we all (support professions) agree on that we could use lub for pvp (some more than others) not to bring us to par with infantry (i just use infantry as description for those prof that are able to dd heal evade etc etc) but to make us competetative and make us feel usefull in various pvp situations and not just go "oh theres and infantry unit i might aswell switch to my buffing hotbar cause thats what im gonna use next

"....

i for one think fc has a clearly thought out role for support prof in pvp and its exactly as it is now and nothings gonna change about that (hasnt the last 5 years so why now ?)...

ohoh boss coming gotta continue another time

well, MP needs a NSD that lands 100%, Trader need 2k drain that lands 100%, Crat needs a root/AoE root that lands 100% then we can play our support role

**Lillagumman** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 13:02:32

Originally Posted by Lunaspell

well, MP needs a NSD that lands 100%, Trader need 2k drain that lands 100%, Crat needs a root/AoE root that lands 100% then we can play our support role

100% might be a tad too much isnt it but yeah we sure need improvements.

**Lunaspell** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 13:15:58

Originally Posted by Lillagumman

100% might be a tad too much isnt it but yeah we sure need improvements.

why is that, we have no AS/Dimach/Sneak template, would only seem fair

**xTwotwentyx** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 13:20:35

Would that advie happen to be wilsonat?

**IHaveHugeNick** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 14:56:43

Originally Posted by windcaster

i dunno.. i guess that means exterminate symbs is for exterminating people? or maybe they mean the wearer cause exterm symb suck the big one.

honestly i'd love to see profession restrictionsn removed from symbiants..
that way you could pick and match which ones best suit you rather then be forced into symb vs implant situations.

also even if for example my mp had full infantry symbiants i still would'nt beable to match a weapon profession.. and would'nt really raise my AR much cause i already have implants for my weapons

it would however make it easier on me and give me supporting skills like weapon specials and inits which are very hard to come by for mp

I agree that unclocking at least some symbiant lines would be a lot of help, we would still be far far behind every typical weapon proffesion, but it would be a blessing to finally design characters the way we want to play them, to use weapons of our choice instead of cookie cutter options... engineers have been asking for Artillery symbiants for quite a while, i bet crats would love them too, and MPs and Docs would propably need both Artillery and Infantry...

**Lillagumman** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 16:19:54

Originally Posted by Lunaspell

why is that, we have no AS/Dimach/Sneak template, would only seem fair

I think that a snare/root that would land on everybody 100% would cause a whole lot of nerfcries but yeah. It sure would help crats and traders though.
Better landingrates sure would be a blessing though cause Spatial is a total nerf on crats/traders/fixers/agents and we need every help we can get.
Uncalming Carlos is nessecary since in BS they cant be.

more ideas for Crats?
Traders?
MPs?
Docs?

no stupid namecalling and omg we are more nerfed than you are.
post your ideas instead..

**xTwotwentyx** · Feb 3rd, 2007, 17:38:48

Originally Posted by Lillagumman

I think that a snare/root that would land on everybody 100% would cause a whole lot of nerfcries but yeah. It sure would help crats and traders though.

And only crats and trader matter?
Making a prof more powerful via making a decent ok proffesion nerfed?
100% roots is just kinda stupid, might as well remove the NR check on NT nukes as well?

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