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  1. #1

    Equality

    Hi all i see ALOT of people stil asking for Balance and a status on that...well id like some EQUALITY, and here is an example of what i mean.

    Im gonna compare 2 of the same items from 2 different prof's....here goes.

    Stellar Meta-Physicist Nanodeck

    Modifier:
    RangeInc. NF 5
    RangeInc. Weapon 5
    Run Speed 50
    Critical Decrease 2
    Matt.Metam 30
    Intelligence 30
    Nano Progra 60
    Nano Resist 60
    1h Blunt 30
    2h Blunt 30
    Bow 30
    Pistol 30
    Psycho Modi 30
    Sensory Impr 30
    Max Health 300

    lets break it down.........


    basic nano deck has the following....

    Modifier:
    RangeInc. Weapon 5
    Run Speed 50
    Critical Decrease 2

    Basic meta star has the following....

    Star of Moral

    Modifier:
    Matt.Metam 30
    Intelligence 30
    Nano Progra 60
    Nano Resist 60

    gives them a total of 7 things

    which in total when combined to a stellar, gives an EXTRA 8 (EIGHT) Modifier's and the end product having 15 Modifier's...ummmm go figure.

    Stellar Keeper Nanodeck


    Modifier:
    RangeInc. Weapon 5
    Run Speed 50
    Critical Decrease 2
    2h Edged 30
    Parry 30
    Riposte 30
    Add All Def. 30
    Fast Attack 30
    Brawling 30

    Ok lets break this 1 down........

    Basic nano deck has the following....


    Modifier:
    RangeInc. Weapon 5
    Run Speed 50
    Critical Decrease 2

    Basic keeper star has the following....

    Star of Faith

    Modifier:
    2h Edged 30
    Parry 30
    Riposte 30
    Add All Def. 30

    Gives them a total of 7 things

    which in total when combined as a Stellar gives an EXTRA 2 (TWO) Modifier's and the end product having a total of 9 (NINE) Modifier's, but if u take into concideration the 2 dead skil's Parry/Riposte they are back down to 7 any point in making the combine at all....ummm go figure.

    For those of you that havent spotted the obvious difference...keeper got 6 (SIX) less Modifier's

    and yet people are still whinning about Balance....i would like to see some good old fashioned EQUALITY.

    Ive said it before and ill say it again...NONE of the developers have a keeper, but i wonder how many have an MP/ADVY/all other prof's....who ALWAYS seem to get decent upgrades/Love/Nano's ect ect ect ect ect...
    Last edited by Madmonk877; May 21st, 2010 at 05:06:31.

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    I would'nt say nerf the MP stellar, but i rather see the Keeper stellar get ALOT more Modifiers, as usual keeper was left in the dark and fed on rotting bronto burger leftover's....and when you concider how many leftover's we have actually had to eat with every update/patch....you can now see why keeper's just arnt rolled/played anymore

  3. #3
    MP star needs variety since MPs use several different weaponstyles, so they dont wanna force them into just one cookiecutter weapon option by giving support to only it in items such as this. Simple as that. Also, im sure many MPs would be willing to change half of those mods in theirs just to that +30 AAD keepers have. Its not only about the amount of different skills, but those that count and really make the difference.

    So don't go yet burn your Keeper's Bras and shouting Equality! Single item difference such as your example posted doesnt yet mean much and you kinda failed to see the simple logical reason behind the difference too which makes your point kinda invalid. Which is one prof that is meant to be using only one weaponstyle (2he keeper) vs prof that has support for several ones (1h Blunt, 2h Blunt , Bow, Pistol MPs).

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    LOL...MP's are a SUPPORT class, you said it urself just then and yet you say they need more access to weps..1HB/2HB/PISTOL/BOW....what do you FC overloved children want ?....ask urself this...what weps do keepers have acces to ????...and lol @ 30 AAD...compared to MP shield...thats a little bit of understatment comming from murself haha.

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    I'll trade the MP for the Keeper one if you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    LOL...MP's are a SUPPORT class, you said it urself just then and yet you say they need more access to weps..1HB/2HB/PISTOL/BOW....what do you FC overloved children want ?....ask urself this...what weps do keepers have acces to ????...and lol @ 30 AAD...compared to MP shield...thats a little bit of understatment comming from murself haha.
    The point is that only one of those modifiers is useful to a particular MP at a given point in time. MPs can use several weapons with equal skill (or lack thereof), so they get +30 to 4 weapon types. Keepers use one weapon, so they get +30 to 1 weapon type. It's that simple. Stop crying.

    If we added 30 melee energy and 30 rifle on stellar keeper deck would you be satisfied.
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    useful modifiers you say...how usefull is parry/rip...bearing in mind they are dead skills....how many of those mods on MP stellar are useless ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    useful modifiers you say...how usefull is parry/rip...bearing in mind they are dead skills....how many of those mods on MP stellar are useless ?????
    The NR is about the only thing I find usefull. I have enough of the rest for them not to really matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    useful modifiers you say...how usefull is parry/rip...bearing in mind they are dead skills....how many of those mods on MP stellar are useless ?????
    If an MP is using bow, then 3. If using pistol, then 3. If using 2hb, then 3. If using 1hb, then 3.
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  10. #10
    Madmonk is right. Check carefully what the MP star has, and what is given in the Keeper star and something went totally wrong during the design, and it's the same for other stars:

    Nano skills + Nano resist + HP + weapon skill + the usual RS etc.
    Last edited by Ocene; May 21st, 2010 at 09:22:50.

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    What everybody else said... but also:

    useful modifiers you say...how usefull is parry/rip...bearing in mind they are dead skills....how many of those mods on MP stellar are useless ?????
    Didn't Means already announce that both Parry and Riposte will be getting new functionality? (Parry: Blocking normal and specials damage. Riposte: a damage attack). Sometimes, FC designs and develops a profession in a certain way because they know what's coming...

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    yea its coming for a half year already..im sick of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    LOL...MP's are a SUPPORT class, you said it urself just then and yet you say they need more access to weps..1HB/2HB/PISTOL/BOW....what do you FC overloved children want ?
    It's been a while since the last good OMG SUPPORT PROFESSIONZ WITH PEWPEWZ argument. Thank you for this.

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    easy enough fix- add heavy weapons, ranged energy, melee energy + nano programming to the keeper star.

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    GIVE ME KIPPUR STAR FOR MAH MP!!!! I would kill for that "Add All Def. 30".

    Pretty please.
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  16. #16
    Sure, I trade you our star for AS and pistol support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostadio View Post
    If an MP is using bow, then 3. If using pistol, then 3. If using 2hb, then 3. If using 1hb, then 3.
    lol doesent matter which 1 you use...the others are STIL usefull, they just become unchosen to use....wereas the parry/riposte is useless no matter what...they are DEAD skills...and have been for over 5 years....is pistol skill a dead skil ??? is bow a dead skil ??? is 1hb/2hb a dead skill....???...i love morons like you lolz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klodders View Post
    GIVE ME KIPPUR STAR FOR MAH MP!!!! I would kill for that "Add All Def. 30".

    Pretty please.
    Sure ill trade you for +60 NR/+30 in x3 nano skills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    Sure ill trade you for +60 NR/+30 in x3 nano skills
    Deal!

    Now that we've achieved equality pleaser get your ****ing rainbows and unicorns the hell out of here


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoGoal View Post
    Sure, I trade you our star for AS and pistol support.
    There's no AS support on our star.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madmonk877 View Post
    Sure ill trade you for +60 NR/+30 in x3 nano skills
    It's a deal. Where do I sign?
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