How to Balance Ranged vs Melee

[Berinda]

We have as good armour, if not better than your weapons. There are bulletproof vests out there NOW. In 10 years time there will be nanotube-titanium kevlar reinforced weaves with stopping power far greater than what there is now.

MY armour gives me 30 to EVERY weapon and special skill. I'm 100% sure it's vastly more advanced than your "box of bullets"

No armor is that advanced and probably will never be that advanced, unless it's a tank. Modern bullet proof vests are not proof against full automatic fire, or even in most cases armor penetrating rounds.

And, if the person is moving quickly, the closer he is, the faster you have to move your gun to keep up with the moving target, the faster you move your gun the more inaccurate the following shot. In otherwords, your FA could easily become an outdated special if you want to keep arguing.

If I fill the air in front of me with 50 bullets, they won't be dodgeable to someone in front of me. It's physics.

Misunderstanding how real-world weapons work while citing them as examples while claiming your fictional armor is awesome is not an argument.

MOVING TARGET VS STATIC TARGET:

ALL moving targets recieve +10% to evades to avoid ANY attack, melee or ranged.
ALL static targets recieve -10% to all evades in the chance to hit.
All attacks made while moving (in the case of melee) recieve -10% to attack rating.

Combine The efects of range and moving targets, and we will be a LOT closer to solving the ranged vs melee problem.

All this does is favor melee - because they could strafe while still hitting their target, while ranged would have to stay still to shoot.

The problem lies in server sync - which your suggestions would worsen - and profession toolsets. Trying to jam first person shooter mechanics into character skills solves nothing.

[Gunfytr]

If we are gonna go all "real life":

ever try to hit a moving target?

ever try to hit a laterally moving target at 20+ meters range?

with a Scope, and laying down, with a rifle I'd give you a best case scenario 30% chance to hit.

with a pistol, assault rifle, SMG, 5% for a trained professional.

I just finished watching a series of war documentaries, and it seems there is 1 single factor which determines the odds for getting hit with a bullet: moving.

Care to try to argue this?

Yes
Yes
Im not a trained sniper
Yes, Yes, Yes.....and I AM a Trained Professional.

I said you cannot hit 27bullet FA from 20M.

Correct, but Professionals DONT use it. (Ask the Mujadeen how effective this is)

[MassDebater]

This is what you get for bringing a knife to a gun fight.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

If we are gonna go all "real life":


Yes
Yes
Im not a trained sniper
Yes, Yes, Yes.....and I AM a Trained Professional.




Correct, but Professionals DONT use it. (Ask the Mujadeen how effective this is)

yes you are arguing? or yes you agree?

This is what you get for bringing a knife to a gun fight.

Well we could rename it ranged online, but I don't think it has the same appeal.

And, this is ridiculous statement in the context that there are 4.5 out of 12 I think profs who are designed for melee combat, AND, in most cases are clearly adept at winning about half of toe to toe battles (except in the case of pistol user's, who now, in a single stupidly designed patch have made ALL pistol using profs WAY OP'd).

Bringing a knife to a gun fight isn't the case, since, it's actually you guys who are bringing guns to a Pet, nuke, fist, knife, sword, pistol, throwing star, etc fight. from this, it sounds like a gun is an option, but perhaps just one of several choices.

btw, if you're doing hand to hand combat, I'll bet that most combat veterans would discard their "gun" for a pistol, or small calibre weapon which is easier to aim under attack, OR a knife/hand to hand combat weapon.

[Parranoid1]

btw, if you're doing hand to hand combat, I'll bet that most combat veterans would discard their "gun" for a pistol, or small calibre weapon which is easier to aim under attack, OR a knife/hand to hand combat weapon.

really wouldnt be hand to hand combat if one had a gun now would it...

[MachSchau]

Guys, you guys, seriously you guys! Armor that is based on future technology should be totally wtfpwn in that it makes us invincible lolol! Guys, you guys! Seriously you guys! One hit kills with s words its so realistic and it would be like woosh! and swash! and I'd be like, "YARGH MATEY! HAND OVER YEE BOOTY". You guys! Dont you see that applying real world mechanics to games is totally sensational, phenomenal and makes perfect sense!

Come on guys, take me seriously! I dont use much brain power or common sense but I know that when what I see stuff in real life isn't replicated in the wtf awesome games I play I get sad inside! Seriously you guys! I get sad and upset! That is why I gotta be like woosh and swash and slice and dice with my s word and wtf cut off peoples legs and arms and get benefits for doing so while they get nerfed!

On a more serious note, if you want to keep sounding like an idiot and think your suggestions actually are useful than keep going.

[MassDebater]

Well, if you are going to use real life as an argument why ranged should be inaccurate at a distance then we will use the argument that people with guns are at a major advantage to people with swords.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Guys, you guys, seriously you guys! Armor that is based on future technology should be totally wtfpwn in that it makes us invincible lolol! Guys, you guys! Seriously you guys! One hit kills with s words its so realistic and it would be like woosh! and swash! and I'd be like, "YARGH MATEY! HAND OVER YEE BOOTY". You guys! Dont you see that applying real world mechanics to games is totally sensational, phenomenal and makes perfect sense!

Come on guys, take me seriously! I dont use much brain power or common sense but I know that when what I see stuff in real life isn't replicated in the wtf awesome games I play I get sad inside! Seriously you guys! I get sad and upset! That is why I gotta be like woosh and swash and slice and dice with my s word and wtf cut off peoples legs and arms and get benefits for doing so while they get nerfed!

On a more serious note, if you want to keep sounding like an idiot and think your suggestions actually are useful than keep going.

I normally can't be bothered with stuff like this, but, I think I'll quote you so you can't edit it.

I lol'd, but not because you're funny. I lol'd because this is the most pathetic attempt at literary pwnage I have ever seen. Your lightning wit and exceptional prose must make your parents proud.

[MachSchau]

I normally can't be bothered with stuff like this, but, I think I'll quote you so you can't edit it.

I lol'd, but not because you're funny. I lol'd because this is the most pathetic attempt at literary pwnage I have ever seen. Your lightning wit and exceptional prose must make your parents proud.

And your low IQ must disappoint yours.

[unback]

balance melee vs ranged? > stop bringing knives to firefight!

[McKnuckleSamwich]

And your low IQ must disappoint yours.

Your inability to see the obvious must disappoint your member when you zip it in your fly.

You are in no position to assess my IQ. You see, you have mistaken Intelligence Quotient with understanding. You do not understand, and you grievously attempt to harness your ignorance on someone else. Your likeness to a boor is, in this case, unmistakeable.

Your credibility, while never reaching much higher than that of a common thief, has only taken a downturn since you loosened your clenched jaw. Take a break, collect yourself, and when you make your next comment, do so with the intent to argue the virtue of the idea, instead of making comments which portray your inability to comprehend basic game mechanics.

By the way, if you really are looking for an undressing, you've come to the right place. Sadly, I don't indulge in belittling people for self gratification, and I don't battle wit with unarmed foes, so, know that if you feel scorned and pitiable, it is not from me, but it is from you.

[Berinda]

You sure use a lot of big words incorrectly.

[MachSchau]

You sure use a lot of big words incorrectly.

ura big word

[Berinda]

no u

[Kinkstaah]

A lot of arguments for lols, discounting.

a) Assault rifles in 29476 could be so upgraded that hitting 27 bullets in a clip is completely legitimate, and recommended given equipment of that day and age.

b) People are so genetically enhanced, that they can move faster than weapons can fire projectiles. This is entirely why melee is 'valid' in 29476. For example: See the matrix.

Of course, if you arent fast enough, you can cop 27 bullets right to the face. Again, exactly like the game mechanics suggest. There's no discrepancy or reason for change in the first place.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

well the reason for change in the first place is that melee are at a significant, and, I really mean significant, disadvantage in any open PVP situation.

I agree with you kink, but, it's not about what the future holds, it's about balance.

Like, we can argue about potential or plausible outcomes of soldiers and bullets and matrix evades or whatever all we want, but, the bottom line is, is that approximately 4/12 toons are at a significant disadvantage in PVP. And, playing them in a way that doesn't make them ridiculously disadvantaged in open PVP, makes them ridiculously underpowered in 1 on 1 PVP.

seriously... who of MA shade or keeper can afford 10 perks in SD? none, the perk line is completely barren for most people, and it needs an adjustment.

[Shaguar]

Once time, @ band camp, this NT wiped the entire camp with his ****ing AoE nukes.

So many sad parents. If you wan't to know the NT was never punished, he assumed that NR was working and all would just counter it.


W H A T !! !! !!

[Soliartist]

than keep going.

This is wrong !

[McKnuckleSamwich]

You sure use a lot of big words incorrectly.

you use a lot of little words incorrectly

[Berinda]

Not at all.