Crat debuffs

[Daggzz]

I think we all agree that some professions are pretty useless in PvM, for example MP und Trader.

Trader toolsets for pvm work (except ac drains) it's the fact that their toolsets aren't as "useful" just like most profs. Docs, enfs, crats have very useful toolsets for most if not all raids, because it's all tank and spank. We need more unique encounters so other profs toolsets become more useful (and I'm not talking about keeperlolantiphear!!!)

However... this doesn't mean that your tools aren't extremely powerful, or dare I say it, over powered. Such init debuffing to make the endgame bosses like babies is really quite unacceptable.

[Koizumi]

I think we all agree that some professions are pretty useless in PvM, for example MP und Trader.

Quite wrong there, remember that even if u cant see it, it doesnt mean that it doesnt exist.

[Weltall]

What many people don't seem to get is that debuffing is the MAIN PURPOSE of a bureaucrat.

I think we all agree that some professions are pretty useless in PvM, for example MP und Trader. But pls rather make those professions more valuable for teams than nerf those profs which have a clearly defined role in PvM atm...

Upping Inits of bossmobs would be a solution... although I don't know if it's a good one. 6k Init-mobs will REQUIRE crat debuffs then... or are probably only tankable by enf+2docs. What I like about crat debuffs is, that it opens the possibility to tank hard mobs for many classes... not only enf/sol.

Yeah, the purpose of a crat is to reduce any mob in game to a status that's beyond gimp right?

Crats have very good damage, AAD/AAO auras, the best croud control, so crats got other crap at their disposal that would make them handy even without their ridiculous debuffing capability.

[bonkbonk]

Crats have very good damage, AAD/AAO auras, the best croud control, so crats got other crap at their disposal that would make them handy even without their ridiculous debuffing capability.

crats always had init debuffs, crowd control and aad/aao aura. why complain now? because random support profession cant get some of the phatz introduced lately? roll a crat, enjoy, or convince your professional to do a better job.

[Hellrule]

basically your crusading for ich order? because thats the end result. crats make pvm doable for everyone with a more loose setup. having a crat makes many instances doable without a doctor instead of waiting on lft for hours hoping one may log on for your purpose. but lets just qq because you have no friends and debuffs make your professsion less desirable.

protip my friend. no one will want your profession still. ask for something valuable instead of trying to remove things from others

[Malaxia]

No new form of debuff has been introduced in crat toolset. I can't see why there are people whining just now while it has been running for so long.

[Daggzz]

crats make pvm doable for everyone with a more loose setup.

Or just a stupidly low amount of people, you know either one.

[Koizumi]

the best croud control

Funny thing, i didnt notice that "best cc"...where'd ya seen it? Maybe i lost it :/

[-Klod-]

What's with this "MP and trader toolset are OP'd at PvM, but you can't see it" crap?

[Phargus]

Mps can nsd. The result would be totally OP'd at pvm except you can't see it!

[Weltall]

Funny thing, i didnt notice that "best cc"...where'd ya seen it? Maybe i lost it :/

Oh, I don't know I suppose the ability to calm bosses, aoe SL roots, an unbreakable on hit SL root, RK snares(with a 2% chance to break on attack), RK roots, RK calms, SL calms, root procs, pvm fears (works in collector before u qq), pvp fears, an overpowered RK root with 45% nr check doesn't qualify

[Hellrule]

Or just a stupidly low amount of people, you know either one.

and playing a game with a small community should shy away from small teams and focus on big 100 person raids to get everything done?

[Hellrule]

Oh, I don't know I suppose the ability to calm bosses, aoe SL roots, an unbreakable on hit SL root, RK snares(with a 2% chance to break on attack), RK roots, RK calms, SL calms, root procs, pvm fears (works in collector before u qq), pvp fears, an overpowered RK root with 45% nr check doesn't qualify

Calm bosses for 1minute.

aoe sl roots? do you play a crat? anything important end game resist these.

unbreakable sl root? only the ql100 and below is unbreakable, which last 30seconds, yet again play a crat.

rk snares are nice... if they land. which they dont against many mobs without a **** ton of spamming.

calms? our calms are not much better than traders or nt's, which work just fine in regular situations.

root procs in pvm? i suppose if you don't like to dd, and most bosses dont have 40m range. regular mobs? o i forgot we had regular roots

pvm fears? i suppose they are effective against things we cannot calm or root. like collector mobs? good thing our LMN nano doesn't work there.

pvp fear? it is pretty neat isn't it

and where is this 45% nr root you speak of?
our top is 80%nr/10%level and our sl is 90%.
but what do i know.

edit: im not saying we need improvements, we are just fine. people just need to understand and not assume such things

[Weltall]

and where is this 45% nr root you speak of?
our top is 80%nr/10%level and our sl is 90%.
but what do i know.

lol, you sure you play a crat? Alright then...

[Hellrule]

lol, you sure you play a crat? Alright then...

your a terrible troll.

[-Klod-]

your a terrible troll.

And you are a terrible crat.

http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=55986

Lands often through 75% root resistance (a subjective judgment).

Mps can nsd. The result would be totally OP'd at pvm except you can't see it!

Ah, right.

[Koizumi]

Oh, I don't know I suppose the ability to calm bosses

Once, for 1 min, your point? Its rarely used anyway.

aoe SL roots

lmao

an unbreakable on hit SL root

Which is rarely used at all, maybe for soloing regular mobs in catacombs?

RK snares(with a 2% chance to break on attack)

Which are usefull where?

RK roots, RK calms, SL calms

lol, barely usefull, barely usefull

root procs, pvm fears

ahahahahahahahaah
lmao

an overpowered RK root with 45% nr check doesn't qualify

that root is the ONLY working cc we have....



Edit:

Lands often through 75% root resistance (a subjective judgment).

lol'd

[Phargus]

Ah, right.

Zomg! You got the secret message!

[Weltall]

Q.Q

They all add up to equal best cc prof.

[Daggzz]

and playing a game with a small community should shy away from small teams and focus on big 100 person raids to get everything done?

You're funny, and seem to like to blow things out of proportion. No I'm talking about stopping these 3 man teams from being able to do everything.

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lol'd

What a useful post, you really know how to debate!

And if you believe your CC toolset is so useless, would you want FC to remove it all?

Oh and I vaugely remember a thread that was stupidly long, whining that the boss calm didn't work in 12man *shrug* really not useful right?