Crat Def

[Hellrule]

Shades are a threat to you as a crat? lol? Seriously...

Well enfs perk everyone with those perks, it's not really a crat problem...

Solds are oh so rootable and snareable and fearable and stunnable and debuffable ~

You're serious abt "ppl with osb's"? Oh then I'll just tell you do like them and team as well, you can get special blockers, AAO/AAD auras, regular hit blockers, osbs, healing and all sorts of other goodies!

Missing the point.
Crats have no defence minus there evades.
People can perk us and rip us apart.
fix kthanks

[Hellrule]

Provide numbers.
There's a reason why everyone is saying UR DOIN IT WRONGZ.
Get your maths stick out, post a setup, backup your claims, because everyones ingame experiences do not correlate to yours.

Come to borealis.
Bring me endgame twinked toons.
watch me die.

also, enforcers need +500ar

[Notcrattey]

Come to borealis.
Bring me endgame twinked toons.
watch me die.

Have you ever stopped to think that it's you not your prof?

[Soliartist]

End-game twinks. Lawl. Right.

[Kinkstaah]

Come to borealis.
Bring me endgame twinked toons.
watch me die.

also, enforcers need +500ar

Ok.
Clearly your endgame gear, isn't.
With +500 AR, I reckon it'd be close to still missing perks on crats anyway. Not that crats really live long enough to justify being perked, which is a good thing as they arent

[Hellrule]

inspect is open
rk1
equip in sig

stop trying troll me you nabs
im just trying fix my profession k?
please help me kthnxbye

[Moonbolt]

Hell im sorry to say this cause i like u as a person.....
but i have 0 problem with killing ur crat ... but i do have problem killing crats like sterva and Cratritus...
u should ask them for some advice on how to play vs enf instead of complaining about enfs.

and once again i say this cause i do like u as a person i think its sad that it had to come to the point of me posting this but im tired of ur nerf enf posts.

[Raggy]

Still waiting on screenshot evidence.

[Gridpain]

Hell im sorry to say this cause i like u as a person.....
but i have 0 problem with killing ur crat ... but i do have problem killing crats like sterva and Cratritus...

Maybe (just a supposition) because Sterva uses the AS pistol...
You ll say : what does this have to do with evades ?

Just that without AS pistol, it takes ages for a crat to kill an enfo. And you can kill us with regular hits only while a non-AS crat chew on your HP.
Even if Hellrule auno equip is not up to date or exact (or he REALY doesnt like to be blinded ) he should have more def than Sterva.

[Moonbolt]

yes i know GP that missing out on AS is a hughe dissadventage for Hell....
but that isnt my fault as an enf...
my setup for example with 1hb/1he is alot worse in enf vs enf pvp then 1hb/piercing for example...
its a choice i make to be better vs agents and docs for example.
same as its a choice for crats to not use the AS pistol to be better against other profs then vs enfs.
a good crat can be a very tough cookie for an enf.
if setup right for the fight.
but theres no point in complaining if u have a good setup vs enfs but ur not using it.

[ragerayden]

Still waiting on screenshot evidence.

Haven't you got pwned on AI perk AR calculation earlier ?

BTW what with this perk discussion ? Throw a few specials & a few regular hits on the crat & he will go down. Now if you add nukes, dots & debuffs.....

[Koizumi]

You mean by fully AR people or in circumstantial situations?
Please be more clear with your arguments.

It doesnt matter which one (beside maybe MR).
Crats should never be perkable, we have totally NO forms of mitigating damage other than stims/hd.
The only situations in which id approve of crat perkability would be MULTIPLE debuffs from different professions, such as fixer one+agent one.
Current crat situation is a joke, with amount of ar/specials/nanos(and other stuff) that ignore all our defences.

Unless the shade is AR oriented (not necessarily full AR) this won't be much of a problem. Plus you could hit any aad perk and stop the chain asap then kill the shade.

"unless", so yet another situation of perkability.

With LE procs right? yes let's leave perking you to chance.

Oh? And whats the problem with that?
Double wield and just keep hitting untill both procs pop?
Either the crat will be dead from regulars or eventually the proc will pop.
Both situations nicely describe crat situation yet once again.

Shades are a threat to you as a crat? lol? Seriously...

Proof how much you pvp in ao. Good shades ARE a threat to crat, and no, im not talking about MR.
Go to RK2 and try catching Babek on BS...and try keeping him rooted, even with GRM.
Good luck.

Well enfs perk everyone with those perks, it's not really a crat problem...

Logic of an 11 year old kid.

Provide numbers.

And give me why would i, or anyone for that matter, bother doing so?
Anything anyone says in here that doesnt overlap with your, obtena or moon's vision of 'oh so poor enf/agent/whatever & oh so OP crat/whatever' gets just ignored by you, and you get back to your usual trolling.

There's a reason why every enf and every crathater is saying UR DOIN IT WRONGZ.

Fixed.

Get your maths stick out, post a setup, backup your claims, because everyones ingame experiences do not correlate to yours.

Rrright. Because the great kink, even if he takes numbers and 'facts' out of the blue, is 100% sure that they are the exact thoughts and experiences of every major pvp'er out there....waaaait.

yes i know GP that missing out on AS is a hughe dissadventage for Hell....
.

Which doesnt change the fact that w/ his current setup he should be able to survive at least a bit more.

[Adokveszek]

It's fun to see how some relative newcomers are doing lectures for kinkhsta&team about game mechanics. Learn some respect, and learn2play, crat is a very good prof, that stands for pvp/pvm. OMG, it itsn't totally unkillable!!!
WTF, i'm pvping with a gimp 220 trader now, and i'm not whining, just using my toolset, sometimes owning, sometimes dieing, depending on situation, and that stands for all profs.

Crats dont need more love than they have.

[Notcrattey]

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What in this game even stipulates that crats should be unperkable all the time? People who work on AR gaining the advantage to -maybe- perk you.

If this is really suuuuch an issue for the crat profession, why don't you ask for a more reliable defense than your aad alone?


And by the way, even good shades should be no threat to a GOOD crat. just throwing that out there.

[Raggy]

Haven't you got pwned on AI perk AR calculation earlier ?

BTW what with this perk discussion ? Throw a few specials & a few regular hits on the crat & he will go down. Now if you add nukes, dots & debuffs.....

Implying I didn't give up on this stupid roundabout discussion where one crat wants a huge buff to his defensive capabilities which are already more than ample.

[Weltall]

Proof how much you pvp in ao. Good shades ARE a threat to crat, and no, im not talking about MR.
Go to RK2 and try catching Babek on BS...and try keeping him rooted, even with GRM.
Good luck.

Proof that every time I see a shade, it gets rooted like nothing? hahaha Alright then... oh and just fyi, back when Babek used to play, I saw him get rooted quite often by traders, I saw him go nr8 lots of times, Shows how much gimps like you know and try to exacerbate situations. He possibly could have perked SD10 on and off too, so what's your point nab?

Logic of an 11 year old kid.

Really, everyone has the same damn problem with enf perks id est they're unavoidable, so that should be a change to enfs now don't u think? To avoid enf perks you need like around 5k def or something and I'm guessing you want that kinda def for your crat? rofl

[Hellrule]

*snip*
If this is really suuuuch an issue for the crat profession, why don't you ask for a more reliable defense than your aad alone?*snip*

Point of thread.
Thanks for reading

[Hellrule]

It's fun to see how some relative newcomers are doing lectures for kinkhsta&team about game mechanics. Learn some respect, and learn2play, crat is a very good prof, that stands for pvp/pvm. OMG, it itsn't totally unkillable!!!
WTF, i'm pvping with a gimp 220 trader now, and i'm not whining, just using my toolset, sometimes owning, sometimes dieing, depending on situation, and that stands for all profs.

Crats dont need more love than they have.

If Kinksta stopped acting like a newcomer he would gain some respect, but he's trolling just as he has for the past 9 years. So maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself about things you know nothing about Kinksta groupie

[Mountaingoat]

I'm guessing you want that kinda def for your crat? rofl

Fixers can get around 4.6k-4.7k with only limber, and have at least twice the healing of a crat, even more when HoT procs go off. They also have roots/snares they can incorporate into their defense. Crats def rating is about 1k lower, we can't cycle our evade perks, and have ZERO healing but it'd be op'd if we had a fixer's def rating?

[Notcrattey]

Point of thread.
Thanks for reading

No I thought the point of thread was WAAAAAAAH WE CAN BE PERKED BY SOMETHING UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WAAAAH MOAR AAD PLX

Fixers can get around 4.6k-4.7k with only limber, and have at least twice the healing of a crat, even more when HoT procs go off. They also have roots/snares they can incorporate into their defense. Crats def rating is about 1k lower, we can't cycle our evade perks, and have ZERO healing but it'd be op'd if we had a fixer's def rating?

Fixers have init debuffs, nukes, pistol perks, pets, and AoE fears too...


...right?

Stop comparing clearly different professions with clearly different tools.