Crat Def

[Weltall]

They don't have 45% check roots, they don't have nukes, they don't have pets, they don't have init debuffs, they don't have fears, they're different and have different stuff and toolsets.

[Hellrule]

No I thought the point of thread was WAAAAAAAH WE CAN BE PERKED BY SOMETHING UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WAAAAH MOAR AAD PLX



Fixers have init debuffs, nukes, pistol perks, pets, and AoE fears too...


...right?

Stop comparing clearly different professions with clearly different tools.

Int debuffs effect capped specials in pvp? Nope
Our pets with 2500 ar are a threat to most? Nope
We have nukes. And pistol perks. But not everyone goes css and uses lolshot and instead go in defensive direction.
Different setups.
Silly notcrattey

[Hellrule]

They don't have 45% check roots, they don't have nukes, they don't have pets, they don't have init debuffs, they don't have fears, they're different and have different stuff and toolsets.

fixers also can't be rooted
have meep
more runspeed
more evades
heals
and a real alpha

sounds pretty good to me

[Notcrattey]

We have nukes. And pistol perks. But not everyone goes css and uses lolshot and instead go in defensive direction.
Different setups.
Silly notcrattey

Then clearly this is your OWN decision, you CHOSE to use a less effective route in pvp. Just like how my shade went HP, I accept the downsides to my decision, now shut up and switch if you can't take it.

[Notcrattey]

have meep

LAWL

more runspeed

Sadly this doesn't mean that much anymore.

more evades

Granted, but so what?

heals

Different toolset than yours, what are you whining about?

and a real alpha

Real alpha? I sure haven't felt it.

[Mountaingoat]

They don't have 45% check roots, they don't have nukes, they don't have pets, they don't have init debuffs, they don't have fears, they're different and have different stuff and toolsets.

They have 65% checking aoe snares, they have FA instead of nukes, their damage doesn't get lost/hump walls/1 inch floor rises, init debuffs don't affect specials, they can get away from any situation at capped runspeed. On the subject of def ratings and survivability, fixers do it better. Offense is debatable, but I'd say fixers have better alpha capability (especially on high hp targets) but crats have more damage over time.

[Hellrule]

LAWL


Sadly this doesn't mean that much anymore.


Granted, but so what?


Different toolset than yours, what are you whining about?


Real alpha? I sure haven't felt it.

Say hi to flavio on rk1

[Hellrule]

Then clearly this is your OWN decision, you CHOSE to use a less effective route in pvp. Just like how my shade went HP, I accept the downsides to my decision, now shut up and switch if you can't take it.

I chose to go defensive setup.
going offensive would only get me perked more.
simple logic my dear crattey

[Notcrattey]

I chose to go defensive setup.
going offensive would only get me perked more.
simple logic my dear crattey

But an offensive setup would apply the pressure more and get rid of the attacker much faster. And it's not as if an offensive setup is even that horrible defensive-wise. I know racatii was boasting 3700 def with a VE instead of the defensive LE hud.

Edit fixed number

[Hellrule]

But an offensive setup would apply the pressure more and get rid of the attacker much faster. And it's not as if an offensive setup is even that horrible defensive-wise. I know racatii was boasting 3700 def with a VE instead of the defensive LE hud.

Edit fixed number

I approximately have 3842 dodge static def/ 3827 evade.
Not everyone feels the need to epeen it up in pvp for max kills, some prefer to support / troll. So if we decide to go evades, let us have that option.

edit: pretty sure rac had towers

[Notcrattey]

I approximately have 3842 dodge static def/ 3827 evade.
Not everyone feels the need to epeen it up in pvp for max kills, some prefer to support / troll. So if we decide to go evades, let us have that option.

Toolsets are being reworked in the great re-balance, so why whine about it now?

edit: pretty sure rac had towers

Towers are the same as any piece of equipment. Besides you were talking about endgame right? well that's quite endgame.

[Hellrule]

Towers are the same as any piece of equipment. Besides you were talking about endgame right? well that's quite endgame.

ill go reroll clan now

[Agreement]

I like how this thread is full of crap, and despise the odors, /popcorn.

[ragerayden]

Implying I didn't give up on this stupid roundabout discussion where one crat wants a huge buff to his defensive capabilities which are already more than ample.

Please elaborate, how ample is that defensive capability? Compare it to fixer's, MA's & advi's, please just do it to entertain me. I like being kept entertained. & you seem to have alot to say on the matter. I'm just giving you the opportunity to show off that great knowledge of yours, that has still to be shown. Praise me.
BTW notcrattey, you are really high.

[Raggy]

Please elaborate, how ample is that defensive capability? Compare it to fixer's, MA's & advi's, please just do it to entertain me. I like being kept entertained. & you seem to have alot to say on the matter. I'm just giving you the opportunity to show off that great knowledge of yours, that has still to be shown. Praise me.
BTW notcrattey, you are really high.

If you would have bothered to read the thread you would know the answer to this. But as your obviously incapable of such a feat here it is for you.


Crats are known to be unperkable to all but a few High AR profs. Even highly regarded and skilled PvP Crats have said there is nothing wrong with the current state of the Crat.

This thread is simply an over-zealous attempt to make Crat defense even more harder to breach for Low/Mid AR profs. If you want to be godlike, roll a damn Advy.


As for the AI perks comment because it factors AAO along with AR. Not everyone is bouncing around in full CSS/CM. Using that as the basis for a reason to be given an insane buff to a toolset that already has a very high level of defense is nothing short of lunacy.

[Soliartist]

What bothers me the most throughout this Thread is that a few Crats are complaining about being perkable by a few Professions as if it didn't make sense because those Crats were using a defensive gear. Just like all the people that could perk you (not so many at all, actually) didn't have to sacrifice several things in order to reach a high enough AR to perk you, right ? Sometimes it doesn't even suffice, sometimes they need things that don't entirely depend of them, like Enforcers. Okay, their procs may land quite often, but still, right, they may last long enough to get rid off you, but still. It's not immediate. You must acknowledge that. I know about low check damage Perks you cannot outheal on a Crat, it's silly. True.

Something else about these Professions, you act as if they wouldn't get burnt badly by other Professions they may encounter in BS, for example, just because they chose to be AR oriented (and are actually fine with it).

Okay, Bureaucrats need something concerning their defense. It's not Evades, it's not AAD. I don't know what it is, it could very well be some absorbs/reflects, maybe a Healing Perk, I just don't know, but something that would make them less sensible to unavoidable special attacks and so on, something else than pure evasive skills. Something like survival skills.

[Obtena]

it's not only bothersome, it's stupid. Like ANYONE in this game should have so many evades that only AS and SA should land on them? That's just crap game design and if crats can't recognize how much that approach HURTS the FC's ability to give crats improvements in their defense, that's a shame, because it's a hugely significant factor.

[Mountaingoat]

So it's only stupid if crats are unperkable (mostly), and completely fine that every other evade profession has healing in addition to being unperkable. Fixers have CC, healing, and are unperkable, it's fine. Shades, adv's, and MA's have more healing AND more damage than crats, and it's still fine. I fail to see the logic? Or are we all complaining about evades in general?

So if crats get 300-400 more aad, they suddenly become invincible? Tell that to fixers.

[Soliartist]

You got the point. I'm glad.

[ragerayden]

Crats are known to be unperkable to all but a few High AR profs. Even highly regarded and skilled PvP Crats have said there is nothing wrong with the current state of the Crat.

Wrong, it is funny considering your asking me to read again the different posts on this thread.

As for the AI perks comment because it factors AAO along with AR. Not everyone is bouncing around in full CSS/CM. Using that as the basis for a reason to be given an insane buff to a toolset that already has a very high level of defense is nothing short of lunacy.

Actually every average/successful crat is running with one but let's forget about tht comment.
But what you don't understand is that crat user's & your so called skilled PvP crats take into account CS/CSS when defining crat's state AND THAT is a huge flaw in your logic. Because if you remove that AI armor set, crat is at the very bottom along with engis. Which considering YOUR logic means we need a hell lot more AAD(or anything else).

Funny how some can twist their mind to make themselves believe they are right.

Then people tend to forget about specials, regular hits, nukes, dots & crat's lack of healing when talking about being able to perk a crat.