CC tools and resistances

**Hometown** · Feb 19th, 2011, 17:39:00

I am sorry but, wasn't the plan, that cc tools won't last long and be unresistable/unbreakable? The durations were nerfed, cooldowns make you unable to keep any1 rooted to eternity, yet, as an example advs didn't "lose" their root resist buffs, nor did items ( yet I hope ).

Might be a misunderstanding on my side, but what the hell was the point to nerf CC duration if resistances/NR checks are still present.

Would love official feedback on this.

Have a nice day.

**ElBoogy** · Feb 19th, 2011, 20:20:39

we did loose SOME root resist.... at least we won´t be able to get to 100% like we are able to do at the moment...

I am not too sure about the Perk rework at the moment, but i think they get nerfed too, so we loose root resistance, not all but something.

**-Klod-** · Feb 19th, 2011, 21:22:56

Advies do lose some resistance, but everyone else gains 7% extra (20% in total, instead of currently available 13%), if they get the buff from advies that is.

**Hometown** · Feb 19th, 2011, 21:50:09

To rephrase .. This was a general question, the adv part was only an example, there is several other items that buff root/snare resist, so I was wondering.. Why they made CC so low duration, breakable, longer cooldown then duration, if one can resist/counter it?! This makes no sense.

**Kazeran** · Feb 19th, 2011, 22:37:23

Originally Posted by Stompbox

To rephrase .. This was a general question, the adv part was only an example, there is several other items that buff root/snare resist, so I was wondering.. Why they made CC so low duration, breakable, longer cooldown then duration, if one can resist/counter it?! This makes no sense.

FC has already stated that any items with any sort of % resist, specifically root/snare, will be looked at after the nanos are finished. This also includes that lovely perk line that you CC profs hate.

**Hometown** · Feb 19th, 2011, 22:59:58

Originally Posted by Kazeran

FC has already stated that any items with any sort of % resist, specifically root/snare, will be looked at after the nanos are finished. This also includes that lovely perk line that you CC profs hate.

Yes, then why do they release a % resist nano afterall? Also I might be deluded, but the only way shortened roots would work if they actually land (ignoring resistances/NR check).. thats what they do right? Crowd control? I am a bit confused about FC's approach on this.

**-Klod-** · Feb 19th, 2011, 23:55:19

Originally Posted by Stompbox

Yes, then why do they release a % resist nano afterall? Also I might be deluded, but the only way shortened roots would work if they actually land (ignoring resistances/NR check).. thats what they do right? Crowd control? I am a bit confused about FC's approach on this.

There should still be some chance left to counter them, so... I see nothing wrong with announced changes.

**lainbr** · Feb 20th, 2011, 00:04:07

Originally Posted by Stompbox

To rephrase .. This was a general question, the adv part was only an example, there is several other items that buff root/snare resist, so I was wondering.. Why they made CC so low duration, breakable, longer cooldown then duration, if one can resist/counter it?! This makes no sense.

Cause it not ever near to be fun be rooted/snared for more than 10 minutes and you dont have ip for first aid.

**Syyceria** · Feb 20th, 2011, 00:46:07

Originally Posted by lainbr

Cause it not ever near to be fun be rooted/snared for more than 10 minutes and you dont have ip for first aid.

Purge Nano Kit or do you also lack Treatment or Comp.Lit? A QL125 Free Movement also only requires 300ish first aid and reduced the duration by a whopping 49 seconds.

49 seconds doesn't sound like much, i know, but it seems like it's twice as long as the expected survival duration of a trader post-change and that doesn't sound like fun either...

**Hometown** · Feb 20th, 2011, 01:12:13

Originally Posted by lainbr

Cause it not ever near to be fun be rooted/snared for more than 10 minutes and you dont have ip for first aid.

Please, do your homework, reread the nano docs of Professions that use CC. Make sure you notice the 1) duration 2) cooldown 3) break chances.

Have a nice day.

**lainbr** · Feb 20th, 2011, 01:35:11

Originally Posted by Stompbox

Please, do your homework, reread the nano docs of Professions that use CC. Make sure you notice the 1) duration 2) cooldown 3) break chances.

I know. And what I said justify the new time and cooldown. I agree the new break chances is bad. Just it.

**Structure** · Feb 21st, 2011, 11:47:59

Roots and snares should of course be able to be countered or removed, no matter the duration. At the moment it is way to easy to grief people by chain rooting/ snaring them without any intention of ever fighting them. I have spent several BS rounds constantly spamming free movements trying to get rid of a 20 min or whatever snare, just because some guy doesn't like to be killed and decides to be a jerk. This is the sort of annoying situation that nobody enjoys, and that is why it's being changed.
Is there any purpose at all except for griefing where you would need CC to last such a long time? As mentioned it will break regardless if you are actively fighting a guy, so it would likely never last longer than the new proposed length anyway. If you are CC-ing in order to escape, it should provide enough time to do that still.

This is of course assuming that pvm and pvp effects will be separated, as I think I read somewhere ages ago.

**Syyceria** · Feb 21st, 2011, 13:52:27

Originally Posted by Structure

Is there any purpose at all except for griefing where you would need CC to last such a long time?

You know how long it takes a trader to land some drains and to heal up after you got hit with an as, burst, fling shot and 3 perks?

**Hometown** · Feb 21st, 2011, 15:51:47

Originally Posted by Structure

Roots and snares should of course be able to be countered or removed, no matter the duration. At the moment it is way to easy to grief people by chain rooting/ snaring them without any intention of ever fighting them. I have spent several BS rounds constantly spamming free movements trying to get rid of a 20 min or whatever snare, just because some guy doesn't like to be killed and decides to be a jerk. This is the sort of annoying situation that nobody enjoys, and that is why it's being changed.

Man my main is a crat, I know that its retarded, but please comment on the proposed changes not current thing. Another thing is, some profs really need CC to survive. Also if you would read the docs, you'd know that there will be different durations in pvm, pvp. So by making em an escape tool at best.. what do you want from CC profs to do? Not kill stuff, but run from it! Man that's just twisted and you know it. So they should rename em to ESCAPE CONTROL, instead of CC.

**Syyceria** · Feb 21st, 2011, 16:17:20

Originally Posted by Stompbox

Man my main is a crat, I know that its retarded, but please comment on the proposed changes not current thing. Another thing is, some profs really need CC to survive. Also if you would read the docs, you'd know that there will be different durations in pvm, pvp. So by making em an escape tool at best.. what do you want from CC profs to do? Not kill stuff, but run from it! Man that's just twisted and you know it. So they should rename em to ESCAPE CONTROL, instead of CC.

The proposed changes are a joke and I hope Genele sees that a profession that has to rely on keeping opponents away to survive is not doing too good with the proposed changes, esp. if the leftover of evades are also removed (the trader in me talking here). Sure, being rooted for some time is no fun, but forcing those professions who's defense are build around not getting hit to respawn at their saving location everytime an opponent spots them can't be the solution...

**-yeny-** · Feb 21st, 2011, 16:32:46

when i read CC, they should also look at this annoying CCing out of a tower spot if there are too many players. pretty bad if your targetcallers randomly dissapearing^^ but that might be a thing they would fix with the new engine.

**Waahash** · Feb 21st, 2011, 17:28:56

Originally Posted by -yeny-

when i read CC, they should also look at this annoying CCing out of a tower spot if there are too many players. pretty bad if your targetcallers randomly dissapearing^^ but that might be a thing they would fix with the new engine.

MASSIVE bump.

**-Klod-** · Feb 21st, 2011, 22:18:46

Originally Posted by Syyceria

You know how long it takes a trader to land some drains and to heal up after you got hit with an as, burst, fling shot and 3 perks?

So...

Is there any purpose at all except for griefing where you would need CC to last such a long time?

BTW, CC removal tools will probably be adjusted accordingly.

**Syyceria** · Feb 21st, 2011, 22:48:11

Originally Posted by -Klod-

So...

Is there any purpose at all except for griefing where you would need CC to last such a long time?

BTW, CC removal tools will probably be adjusted accordingly.

As I said, survival...currently my root lasts nearly 5 minutes and you can remove nearly two of them with a stim.

I don't think there is any amount of adjustment that could be done to removal tools to make the proposed changes balanced if my root is supposed to only last 7 seconds. I hope Genele&Co. will realize that when they try out a trader on their alpha server...

**Waahash** · Feb 21st, 2011, 22:57:05

Said stims aren't supposed to exist when these changes go live, according to hearsay and rumor.

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