170 agents needs nerf :)

[Lupusceleri]

No, tl5 shades are much worse than tl5 enfs but im trying to proove that ar and aad values alone dont mean a s...t.

Your mainhand being a Piercing weapon probably doesn't help seeing "normal" enfs with 1he can reach 1.8k AR easily, even heard some rumors of enfs going over 2k-2.2k...

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Both stats are better than my tl5 enf with ql 300 SE ofab head and +27 combined armor. Nerf j00

Yea, but individual stats don't matter. Clearly, because if they did, my keeper would own all of TL5.

Unfortunately, individual stats rarely count for much, instead it's the toolset used in conjunction with expected probabilities of success/failure in a given situation.

For example, while my keeper might be able to attain 2000 AR, if used in the wrong situation, would mean nothing.

Since we're here, this is exactly the problem with keepers, shades and MP's at TL5. Even though individual players are capable of reaching excellent individual stats, such as excellent evades, NR, or AR, the toolset of the prof severely hampers excellent performance.

Indeed, it is the toolset that we are trying to fix, not the accessability of 300 Ofab, or a better chest symb for 170 soldiers, etc.

[Manicmouse]

Though actually for shades individual stats DO matter because a shade can't kill anyone it can't perk and can't survive if it can be perked through DoF.

Toolset is the main problem as Knuckle says, I would rather have a more well rounded setup on my shade but my toolset does not allow it as my effectiveness plummets. Rebalancing should address some of these issues (mini SHD etc) and hopefully keepers don't get forgotten.

Agents however have a wide toolset at this level with many viable options combined with a lethal alpha. Makes em more fun to stun gnak though

[Parranoid1]

Your mainhand being a Piercing weapon probably doesn't help seeing "normal" enfs with 1he can reach 1.8k AR easily, even heard some rumors of enfs going over 2k-2.2k...

can speak from great experiance, that you would be sitting on at least 1900 with challenger, i sit on around 1930 and im a more defense focused equip. with procs its around 2170 or so, so yeah it can happen.

Heas a piercing/1hb which is fine against evades profs i think, but SUUUUUUCKS in enf vs enf fights

Edit: Hey manic

[Ciex]

Heas a piercing/1hb which is fine against enfs, docs and agents but SUUUUUUCKS against evaders

Fixed.

[agentwolve]

Thanks but no, you are wrong. Siukon still has around 10k hp while maintaining enough AR to perk my MP through 2.15k+ dodge def. Hence why I have been saying since the FIRST post I made in this thread that the AI perks shouldn't check double AAO anymore and for the rest peoples should leave the agent alpha alone.

well, concussive shot is being changed to rifle as attack skill, yes ? gonna be abit harder to land also the nerf. Also iirc perks like CS and pin point are having there execution time doubles, + damaged lowered (at tl5) also the stun duration is being lowered.

MoR, blind rings, abuse Los with root grafts and perk screwing up there alpha and making heal pet get more heals in. use battle prepared kits + stims if you want. withered flesh also (after AS).

maybe we shouldnt be able to use the top challenger, and theres a little nerf inc to rage, but who said killing an agent as a MP should be easy.

This is no were near as bad as fixer vs nt (tl7)

[Jekonam]

well, concussive shot is being changed to rifle as attack skill, yes ? gonna be abit harder to land also the nerf. Also iirc perks like CS and pin point are having there execution time doubles, + damaged lowered (at tl5) also the stun duration is being lowered.

MoR, blind rings, abuse Los with root grafts and perk screwing up there alpha and making heal pet get more heals in. use battle prepared kits + stims if you want. withered flesh also (after AS).

maybe we shouldnt be able to use the top challenger, and theres a little nerf inc to rage, but who said killing an agent as a MP should be easy.

This is no were near as bad as fixer vs nt (tl7)

Killing a 170 agent is hard with almost all of the professions.

[-Klod-]

But, anyways... Nerf iolanda's agent. That should do for some short time.

[Oliveerz]

Hello?! Did you all forgot tl5 advs? Gtfo agents arn't op

[Notcrattey]

Hello?! Did you all forgot tl5 advs? Gtfo agents arn't op

LOL
Pitiful.

[rapp3d]

id like to see shade with 1800 ar and 1600 def at tl5

plx?

[Neon_1]

Hello?! Did you all forgot tl5 advs? Gtfo agents arn't op

lol

Hello noob. Welcome to the game.

[Lupusceleri]

well, concussive shot is being changed to rifle as attack skill, yes ? gonna be abit harder to land also the nerf. Also iirc perks like CS and pin point are having there execution time doubles, + damaged lowered (at tl5) also the stun duration is being lowered.

Due to MP being a low hp prof whether they want to or not it's still going to cap. Also, execution time doesn't really matter since getting perked = death anyway. I think they should leave Concussive Shot alone, really, but IIRC the perks are having their execution times lowered in general (excepting CS in an initial doc, which got changed back to 1s after bitching).

MoR, blind rings, abuse Los with root grafts and perk screwing up there alpha and making heal pet get more heals in. use battle prepared kits + stims if you want. withered flesh also (after AS).

Doesn't help.. you've got near zero time to react before you eat dust. If they did like an agent is supposed to do - sneak - there is no way you can anticipate that.

This is no were near as bad as fixer vs nt (tl7)

You have no idea.

[Manicmouse]

id like to see shade with 1800 ar and 1600 def at tl5

plx?

More like 1500 def, but I didn't both to log on to check

I'm experimenting with a maximum possible AR build on my shade, still a work in progress. I just know that missing a lot of gear I had about 1700 AR so it should be possible

[Ciex]

Who is teh nurfest tl5 profession of today???

[-Klod-]

My level 150 ranged advie, of course.

[Ciex]

But Gesef just owns on his ranged advy. He alphakills my enf and, even worse, he seems to be a froob. Nerf j00 all

[Racatti]

Yeah, but we would like a quick pre-balance fix, you know, like BR and GTH one.

No more half-arsed solutions pls.

[-Klod-]

So, lets rather leave it totally broken and OP'd as it is, until god knows when (which will apparently be when hell freezes over)?

[saxobul3]

Who is teh nurfest tl5 profession of today???

Honestly, probably Shades lol