R.I.P. Traders

[Xtremtech]

The worst thing is, if we dont get alot of nanoskill buffing with the balancing, we have to drain up with worthless drains to cast the top nuke/heal.

Umm... if they enable you to cast the top nuke/heal... then they're not worthless...

And they still give you the same attack skills buffs too - so they're really not worthless.

And they still debuff your target... so they're even less worthless.


Yes you have to land hostile nanos... but you're a casting profession - that's part of the deal isn't it?

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[Shareida]

Yes you have to land hostile nanos... but you're a casting profession - that's part of the deal isn't it?
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I fail to see any Nano pool drain in the /pet attack macro.

[-Klod-]

I fail to see any Nano pool drain in the /pet attack macro.

Meaning?

[dockside]

Seems to me you think of these proposed changes like you would with just another patch, thing is it's a revamp, not a patch. What this shows is not how gimp traders will be, it shows what role they will have

[Drakeep]

Well at least they cant come with an excuse to take paid for wrangles now since it dont lower their skills :P But look on the bright side. Dont cry before u actually try it urself. I know of reading text a lot of profs have been nerfed, but wait till u try it urself and see how it ends up Both my main profs r nerfed on the docs, but might be better than u think

With all traders (proly ~0) that will be ingame after this idiot rebalance, u should pay 'just' 2billions for a wrangle. But u can farm credz in s10, so where's the problem?

[Shareida]

With all traders (proly ~0) that will be ingame after this idiot rebalance, u should pay 'just' 2billions for a wrangle. But u can farm credz in s10, so where's the problem?

Quoted for truth.

[-Klod-]

BTW, the fact that traders don't whine enough in this forum means the nerfs should be more drastic then this.

[Esproc]

If traders start requiring skill to play at low levels it might be worth dusting off the ones I made just for buffing.

Way too many of them are just piles of ncu for OSB's + predrains :/

[Obtena]

^^ THAT ... finally someone posting with some sense.

[Anarchic1]

yes we get it tl1, t2 traders are oped. but that doens't mean u got to destroy a prof for tl3/4/5/6/7.

It's like saying lt5 agents are strong, let's make tl7 and tl1/tl2/tl3/tl4 weak as hell now

[sultryvoltron]

yes we get it tl1, t2 traders are oped. but that doens't mean u got to destroy a prof for tl3/4/5/6/7.

It's like saying lt5 agents are strong, let's make tl7 and tl1/tl2/tl3/tl4 weak as hell now

TL3 Traders are actually quite a good profession.

They're also not bad at TL4. They're definitely contenders at TL5. I'm not really sure about TL6.

Are you saying that you're not even willing to try the changes at those levels? They seem like they'll be a bit more than a one trick pony. It should be more fun for everyone, real Trader players and opponents.

[agentwolve]

hmm wasnt expecting them to get nerfed this bad hahahaha

i just hope agents arnt made useless too

[Ciex]

If traders start requiring skill to play at low levels it might be worth dusting off the ones I made just for buffing.

Way too many of them are just piles of ncu for OSB's + predrains :/

And how those changes are going to change this? Instead of draining drain pets every 2 min they will do it every 15s. Those changes hit casual pvmers and bs/duel pvpers, not nw twinks.

^^ THAT ... finally someone posting with some sense.

Ask for 15s challenger that eats half of your nano and 5s rage if you ever want to hear something similar about yourself.

[Trike]

the reason why traders are still effective in tl5 getting much weaker in higher levels is the amount of skills people have.

A tl5 player has ~1200 of his main attacking skills..maybe 1400
draining 500 of theese is very very much.
A drained tl5 doc cannot cast ch any longer...

at 220..the drains don´t hurt much..however here´s my idea to drains:

This whould fix most of the balancing problems at all

Change the Drains to use percentual values.

Divest Weak - 1% up to Nanite enhanced 12%
same for Plunder

Working with percentual values also affects the high skill values 220ish players have

[Shareida]

Way too many of them are just piles of ncu for OSB's + predrains :/

Hmm the last time i checked, I had two selfbuffs on my trader.

Do you mean, we should have them drains as selfbuffs?

[-Klod-]

Do you mean, we should have them drains as selfbuffs?

Isn't that what they will become? I mean, it's only 15 sec penalty, while the buff stays for much longer time.

[Shareida]

Isn't that what they will become? I mean, it's only 15 sec penalty, while the buff stays for much longer time.

Does that mean noone will complain anymore if traders predrain?

[Taranide]

Considering OSB wars are going to be nerfed in lowbie pvp, those short durations in drains are only reasonable and give opponents a chance too. And as for TL7, I only see good changes and challenges to come, no more cookie cutter running with GTH on myself and tabbing everything in sight. And yeah, nanopool hasn't really been a problem and will not be, unless ND is getting badly nerfed. But that's not only trader concern then. In the end we're yet to see everything to come. I play highbie trader and approve these changes.

[Larafina]

"no more cookie cutter running with GTH on myself and tabbing everything in sight" always good to have disscussions with players being well informed of the latest (almost a year now) changes to the toolset of the disscussed proffession.

[Esproc]

With a de-buff duration lower than the buff duration you won't need a drain pet any more.
You can pre-drain on yourself, seems like a bit of a boon to me.
Higher nano costs is in line with what is happening to every proffessions nanos.
Lower hostile durations and etc again is just like everyone elses hostile nano changes.
A lowering of the effectiveness of lower-mid level nanos was needed.

Endgame you shouldn't have any trouble keeping defensive skills high enough to make the drains work on anything that defensive stats would matter on.

And don't forget any nerf to traders is also a nerf to agents

I don't see a problem with the overall plan that seems to be developing.
I may even end up playing some of the professions crying nerf the hardest just to find something fun to do.