New firstaid stims and healing kits

[doctorgore]

Treatment + first aid merge coming I see?

[Mastablasta]

Take into account that ND is likely to be nerfed. One important thing that was in the way of nerfing it was (imo) the fact that you can't do proper nano management in SL (since you have to sit for ages to restore nano). With the new rechargers this problem is out of the way.

Those heal less than normal kits and are money+effort expensive which balances it out. The new ones even heal more... it should be less.

Don't see how it gets out of the way. If 5k nano a minute enough to outweigh any drain on nano pool, when current nanodelta being somewhere around 3-5k every 10 seconds, for some people, and the future nanos being more intensive on pool drain, and the developers intending to have fights in general last longer, I don't see how it can be a problem that they heal a bit more and let you spend a bit more time being active in combat.

Treatment + first aid merge coming I see?

How do you see that? That there's a switch so that everyone can use out of combat healing kits to quickly get back into action instead of having to wait an eternity is no indicator of that...

[Seoin]

How do you see that? That there's a switch so that everyone can use out of combat healing kits to quickly get back into action instead of having to wait an eternity is no indicator of that...

I think they were looking at

Health and Nano Recharger
Quality level: 240
Price: 8.052.000
Treatment from 1741 or First Aid from 1741

Which I think is so that shades don't have to ip treatment to use sit kits.

[Mastablasta]

I think they were looking at

Health and Nano Recharger
Quality level: 240
Price: 8.052.000
Treatment from 1741 or First Aid from 1741

Which I think is so that shades don't have to ip treatment to use sit kits.

Yea, and whoever doesn't use Time & Space won't have to IP that either to recharge nano.

[Litestrider]

Yea, and whoever doesn't use Time & Space won't have to IP that either to recharge nano.

As if enforcers and adventurers needed MORE love!

[Esproc]

With as much as those sit kits are healing there is a lot more incentive NOT to let your opponent use them in duels etc.
More people actually standing in fights as a result is a good thing yes :?

[Mastablasta]

Apparently the sit-down kits also remove debuffs; not just debuff duration, but outright remove, them. Not sure about the list of debuffs, but we've confirmed several MP ones, including NSD.

Stims do not touch debuffs, don't think they will either, as it wouldn't fit into rebalance.

[Spartanx9]

Apparently the sit-down kits also remove debuffs; not just debuff duration, but outright remove, them. Not sure about the list of debuffs, but we've confirmed several MP ones, including NSD.

Stims do not touch debuffs, don't think they will either, as it wouldn't fit into rebalance.

Woah. An interesting change to say the least. If it means quicker combat ready status, I see it as a positive change.

[Edta]

Don't see how it gets out of the way. If 5k nano a minute enough to outweigh any drain on nano pool, when current nanodelta being somewhere around 3-5k every 10 seconds, for some people, and the future nanos being more intensive on pool drain, and the developers intending to have fights in general last longer, I don't see how it can be a problem that they heal a bit more and let you spend a bit more time being active in combat.

Once rebalance comes, extra nano might indeed be a good idea. My point however is that there should be stims that heal health/nano separately and do so in a larger amount than the combined ones so that there is a tactical choice. (Also, your arguments are only valid if these go live together with rebalance which is something we have - to my knowledge - no information about.)

Yea, and whoever doesn't use Time & Space won't have to IP that either to recharge nano.

Apparently the sit-down kits also remove debuffs; not just debuff duration, but outright remove, them. Not sure about the list of debuffs, but we've confirmed several MP ones, including NSD.

Hehe, love to the OP profs, nerfing the gimp profs, that's how we know FC <3! (I think these changes are fine though and the OPness /gimpness has to be fixed on other domains. I hope this change makes it possible to let MP debuffs last a bit longer than proposed in the current document for example.)

[Mastablasta]

Once rebalance comes, extra nano might indeed be a good idea. My point however is that there should be stims that heal health/nano separately and do so in a larger amount than the combined ones so that there is a tactical choice. (Also, your arguments are only valid if these go live together with rebalance which is something we have - to my knowledge - no information about.)




Hehe, love to the OP profs, nerfing the gimp profs, that's how we know FC <3!

Well today they'd still result in longer fights between everyone, if only a second or two.

Don't see how it's much love to op profs. Debuffs today create nothing but downtime, and either result in death or running away sitting around for ever while it runs out. Rebalance debuffs will last a much shorter time, meaning these won't matter in that department, very much if at all.

Besides, you still have to be out of combat to use it.

And you forget that with more powerful tools to remove a debuff, you can have more severe versions of it possible as well.

[Edta]

Well today they'd still result in longer fights between everyone, if only a second or two.

And even easier pvm, not everything is pvp you know.

Don't see how it's much love to op profs.

That part was a reaction on the quote about removing TS requirement.

And about the rest of your post: if you see the edits to my post you can see that we don't really disagree there .

[Mastablasta]

And even easier pvm, not everything is pvp you know.



That part was a reaction on the quote about removing TS requirement.

And about the rest of your post: if you see the edits to my post you can see that we don't really disagree there .

I don't consider pvp much, really. It interests me little to fight 1on1 and in BS.
PvM is not made hard by having debuffs that lasts minutes or half hours, it is just made tedious. Is it hard to sit after a fight and wait 60-90 seconds to heal yourself to 100% and clear debuffs from your NCU with virus scanners? I would say trying on patience, if anything.

[Edta]

I don't consider pvp much, really. It interests me little to fight 1on1 and in BS.
PvM is not made hard by having debuffs that lasts minutes or half hours, it is just made tedious. Is it hard to sit after a fight and wait 60-90 seconds to heal yourself to 100% and clear debuffs from your NCU with virus scanners? I would say trying on patience, if anything.

I'm talking about the stims, not the rechargers .

[Mastablasta]

I'm talking about the stims, not the rechargers .

We were talking about debuff removal, stims like I said don't touch that.

[heilt-do]

Are Veteran HQ Labs getting improved as well? If not they will be rendered pretty much useless. IMO

[Imhopet]

Found this stim in ql 300 in the new ini...

Health and Nano Stim
Quality level: 300
Requirements:
Use:

First Aid from 2101
Target not Monster

Modifier:
Healing 3450
Nanopoints +3450

[Galilei]

There's new tradeskill processes to combine health stim and nano stim (10x Pharma tech) and same goes for health spindle and nano spindle. Health and nano kits have similar processes. There's probably some other steps after those first items have been combined - one shop terminal sells Pharmaceutical nanobots so those might be used in the process. Because shop terminals no longer sell previous regular stims/spindles, you'll have to get them from RK missions / SL dungeon chests and you'll need high Pharma tech skill (2000 for ql200 stim/recharger, 3000 for ql300 stim/recharger) to combine them.

[Obtena]

Removing TS requirement is not love to the 'OPed' profs and it's pretty shortsighted and ignorant to think that way. Inability to use relevant QL stims at TL2-4 is a significant issue for enfos' nanopool ... unless of course you like the current trends in the game where everything is OST'ed for you.

TBH, if that's the direction players want in the game, then the requirement should be changed to bomb disarmament or something completely obscure so everyone wastes IP, not just love profs. I can already anticipate how well that kind of 'love' translates to welfare professions.

[Litestrider]

Removing TS requirement is not love to the 'OPed' profs and it's pretty shortsighted and ignorant to think that way. Inability to use relevant QL stims at TL2-4 is a significant issue for enfos' nanopool ... unless of course you like the current trends in the game where everything is OST'ed for you.

TBH, if that's the direction players want in the game, then the requirement should be changed to bomb disarmament or something completely obscure so everyone wastes IP, not just love profs. I can already anticipate how well that kind of 'love' translates to welfare professions.

Making a sarcastic post "complaining" about "love" to the lovechildren isn't a whine and it's pretty shortsighted and ignorant to think that way.

[Aeliniyah]

Making a sarcastic post "complaining" about "love" to the lovechildren isn't a whine and it's pretty shortsighted and ignorant to think that way.

The fact that the "professional" of one of the said lovechild professions had to instantly peak in and defend the change kinda proves your point though...