Shadowbreeds and New Balance

[Hacre]

nanos are being reworked
perks are being reworked
specials are being reworked
some proffessions tactics are being reworked (nt going from trip/double to rainbow nanoing)
possibly ND is being reworked (would be the "heal nerf" so taht docs couldnt heal for 4 hours non stop)

i see no reason why FC wouldn't rework SB, unless they just "forgot"

does any one have any serious suggestions to what SB should be?

SBs are fine as they are with the exception of the Opifex SBs and the Omni Nanomage SB.

As for what they should be, I'm not sure, to be quite honest. But at least I narrowed the field of view.

[Swardbearker]

I agree, it's time to change SBs, I suggest:

1: Switch all clan SB with omni SB
2: change back their mechanics as they were before the rebalance/fix
3: change back OS to insta death
4: keep it like this for 2-3 years

Now that'd be completely unfair, KNOWING that it took FC less than a year to change Clan SBs to either remove or give a full 30 sec resistance to the Omni Soli SB. Nine months is hardly two to three years.

Unless you mean that Omnis should get Clan SBs and Clans should get Omni SBs as they are now and the only change they should undo is that of the Orbital Strike. I guess it'd be sort of interesting to see if all those Clan whines after that change were actually baseless.

[Hacre]

Now that'd be completely unfair, KNOWING that it took FC less than a year to change Clan SBs to either remove or give a full 30 sec resistance to the Omni Soli SB. Nine months is hardly two to three years.

Say what? How do you calculate NW release to Clan SBs being changed as "less than a year"?

Also to be completely fair in reference to the SB+OS combination, you should have the ~1 year period of Clan SB doing squat against Omni SB, followed by the removal/resist with 30s lockouts, given that Omni have been telling us since day one of SB+OS to "l2p".

[Parranoid1]

Now that'd be completely unfair, KNOWING that it took FC less than a year to change Clan SBs to either remove or give a full 30 sec resistance to the Omni Soli SB. Nine months is hardly two to three years.

Unless you mean that Omnis should get Clan SBs and Clans should get Omni SBs as they are now and the only change they should undo is that of the Orbital Strike. I guess it'd be sort of interesting to see if all those Clan whines after that change were actually baseless.

from LE release to the changing of OS mechanics should be about how long the change should be. that seems fair. but how bout we make it 2 years of the clan SB aoe root being unremoveable then 9 months of it being removable, see wat its like with the shoe on the other foot, aye omnis?

[Armus]

Actually wasn't clan soli SB bugged since release? How many years was that?

[Hacre]

Actually wasn't clan soli SB bugged since release? How many years was that?

August 2003. Wasn't fixed for removal of Omni SB until 17.5.

[neverest]

I was writing a new thread, but then I found this and figured it could be added.

This has been known for a long time, but now I could see it for my self with this nice stats script SoldiTwo came up with.

At full deff it says Im -100. When I blow the SB who adds 200% agg-deff it says 100. At full agg with SB it says 300 and with SB gone again it says 100.

Why is it that one NM SB would make all clans go full agg, while most want to be full deff because they get hit less? Its nice and all that everyone shoots and cast faster, but if you would have same effect by going full agg everyone would have done it them selves by using the agg-deff bar.

Either it should be removed or replaced with something else.

And another thing. Now Im not quite sure since I have not tested and it might be an error on auno, but acording to auno Splendid does a debuff on omnis, while the higher Blazing does not have a debuff. Why is that?

[Hacre]

I was writing a new thread, but then I found this and figured it could be added.

This has been known for a long time, but now I could see it for my self with this nice stats script SoldiTwo came up with.

At full deff it says Im -100. When I blow the SB who adds 200% agg-deff it says 100. At full agg with SB it says 300 and with SB gone again it says 100.

Why is it that one NM SB would make all clans go full agg, while most want to be full deff because they get hit less? Its nice and all that everyone shoots and cast faster, but if you would have same effect by going full agg everyone would have done it them selves by using the agg-deff bar.

Either it should be removed or replaced with something else.

And another thing. Now Im not quite sure since I have not tested and it might be an error on auno, but acording to auno Splendid does a debuff on omnis, while the higher Blazing does not have a debuff. Why is that?

Outside buff changes to aggdef don't change your defensive capability, they just change the speed at which you hit, or your aggressiveness.

[EmSeeBee]

I agree, it's time to change SBs, I suggest:

1: Switch all clan SB with omni SB
2: change back their mechanics as they were before the rebalance/fix
3: change back OS to insta death
4: keep it like this for 2-3 years


All omnis that kept saying "SB+OS is no problem use different tactics" should support this, so everyone would be a winner!!

lol bump

I really don't see what there is to complain about. Omnis have a better soli and NM SB and Clans have a better Trox and Opi SB. The opi ones on both sides still suck like alcoy and hacre said though and the NM ones, though better than opi, are generally a bit less useful than the soli and trox. Omni NM SB can be effective if used properly though.

[lostlife]

I agree, it's time to change SBs, I suggest:

1: Switch all clan SB with omni SB
2: change back their mechanics as they were before the rebalance/fix
3: change back OS to insta death
4: keep it like this for 2-3 years


All omnis that kept saying "SB+OS is no problem use different tactics" should support this, so everyone would be a winner!!

it was changed for a reason, that reason being that it was to powerful. that would be like taking away BR and GTH and giving solds a way of removing all trader drains (from the traders side) and stoping them from redraining, and giving docs the ability to make it so traders couldnt cast any beneficial nanos, and giving nts a way of making it so traders couldnt do anything offensivly or provide support for there side.

see how i made it so things were onesided before onesided again for the opposing side? thats not what i call balance.

SBs should be reworked though, seeing as how everything else is

[Seventh]

Ahh for some reason i just got a wonderful mental image of leaving SBs as they are- just redusing the recharge on them to say 2 sec.

Anybody here ever played Unreal with one of custom Revenge relic or Redeemer arenas?

[rapp3d]

dont forget that 15k heal on clan soli sb is nothing nowadays so it needs to get boosted to 100k heal to match ich.
thats in case if u boost omni sb damage

and really made m ROFL at omni asking to improve SB

ur SB have broken whole game and made hundreds of people stop playing ao

[lostlife]

balance of the past has no relevance to the balance of today or tomorrow (unless it was changed from balanced to unbalanced, then it should be reestablished or used as a reference).

with so many things being changed its only natrual that SBs be changed as well

[IHaveHugeNick]

Anyone who says clan Atrox SB is fine should have their brain checked by a health professional.

[lostlife]

Anyone who says clan Atrox SB is fine should have their brain checked by a health professional.

so you agree with me on that SBs should be rabalanced?
i agree with me too

[IHaveHugeNick]

Technically in my opinion about shadowbreeds in general, i agree with Kink, anything with 5 hour recharge is just a bad design, no matter whether it annihilates everything within 50 meter radius or spawns twenty dancing Barbie Leets with blonde pubic hair and pink bikinis.