Please dont kill tl5

[Binarybits]

I wish they set up the level ranges with pvm twinks in mind. cant be uber in both pvp and pvm. I say 150-189 would look better.

BS not working on levels 1-149 simply shows more lowbie stuff needs to be added, activity-wise. Lets face it without sector 10 bs would not run level 1-201.

[Scottik]

adding toons up to 190 or 199 or even 200 wont help much, since not many people are going to join on 175+ toons anyway.

That's true for now but I'm pretty sure it's gonna get changed with upcoming alien sector 7.

If you make 201-214 BS, that is never going to run. It is not much different than what we had before changes. And i didnt see it working in last 3 years.

That's why it should be changed to 201-220. I know this range is kinda wide as well but 1) majority of ppl past level 200 (up to 219 - generally) just want to level and possibly get some decent gear in the progress which is good opportunity for them. In other words they don't really care about hardcore twinking or excellent PvP experience. 2) it will run.

[Kinkstaah]

Kill it with fire.

[Organa]

Kill it with fire.

Go 'way Kink

[shamenOTC]

I would propose...

10-29
30-60
61-100
101-150
151-200
201-214
215-220

Thesed bs lvl ranges should be final, It isn't nice seeing pre-db nano/apf nano toons in tl7 210-220 bs going up against endgame toons. 215-220 will run, it'll be on average the challenge it should be.

I vote for 151-200 bs to be in affect asap, it'll open the tl6 area of the game which is what the sec7 is aimed at doing, it makes sense for FC financially as ppl(myself included) with no char. slots on main acc. left, starting a Vet. acc.

these lvl ranges really need to be implemented to freshen the game for alot of ppl.

[Obtena]

I wish they set up the level ranges with pvm twinks in mind.

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Um, the current scheme couldn't be MORE suited for PVM twinks. Feel free to bring your TOTW, Foremans and S10 twinks to BS .... and be reasonably successful in PVP as well with them.

[Rktim]

Thesed bs lvl ranges should be final, It isn't nice seeing pre-db nano/apf nano toons in tl7 210-220 bs going up against endgame toons. 215-220 will run, it'll be on average the challenge it should be.

I vote for 151-200 bs to be in affect asap, it'll open the tl6 area of the game which is what the sec7 is aimed at doing, it makes sense for FC financially as ppl(myself included) with no char. slots on main acc. left, starting a Vet. acc.

these lvl ranges really need to be implemented to freshen the game for alot of ppl.

No its not nice but i doubt that 201-215 will run that much. Just make it 201-220. People can APT etc, it will not only keep TL7 active it will make for bigger battles and also...

The point of "This level range is unbalanced" is completely mute IF the alternative means lower levels getting no BS at all..

aka
201-214 - Inactive, no VP, no fighting
215-220 - Somewhat active, some VP, small fights..
201-220 - Active, VP, big fights.
In this situation you cant say that 201-214 is better because its more balanced, simply because the underdogs get locked out from the BS entirely in a "There i fixed it" move actually hurting the toons you are trying to help..

[Cyreidan]

I was hoping for 150-200 to remain, would have been fun.

Not in NW since even thats just BS it makes all make lvl 200 twinks and it will ruin tl5 wars(every war goes tl7), my opinion lvl 189 max.

[Ciex]

Not in NW since even thats just BS it makes all make lvl 200 twinks and it will ruin tl5 wars(every war goes tl7), my opinion lvl 189 max.

What exactly BS ranges have to do with NW? Are you affraid of fighting lvl 200 twinks?

[Cyreidan]

What exactly BS ranges have to do with NW? Are you affraid of fighting lvl 200 twinks?

Affraid never but that makes tl7 twinks log kill 200 twinks and end tl5 wars like lvl 207 do it allready but worst then.

[shamenOTC]

aka
201-214 - Inactive, no VP, no fighting
215-220 - Somewhat active, some VP, small fights..
201-220 - Active, VP, big fights.

Agreed, In the interest of everyone having the ability to get vp 201-220 is the logical choice.

Maybe a more intelligent interface might work, say when max numbers on a bs on either side is say 10-15 ppl, the interface allows you to make preferences when max numbers excede the bs max.

example:- numbers below <max> no preference allowed.
(system pref.) numbers above <max> a preference of no more than 1/3 players in bs below 210
(player preference) numbers above <max> invite If 1/2 or or more players lvls above 210-check, 215-check.(can also have a message saying certain prefs. have been met at time of entering bs)

At least being able to set prefs. gives the ppl that do bs for the challange some chance at being invited to a bs with other ppl that want the same.

[Obtena]

No offense Cyr but you don't even do BS so ... why should anyone listen to you? Your opinion is biased to NW. If level ranges there 'screw it up', then the fix should be on the NW levels, not some fallacious argument on level segretations on BS.

It's irrelevant anyways ... many twinks in the 160-170 range should be able to compete vs a 200 twink. In fact that would make NW much more interesting .... moreso than trying to kill 207 twinks. In addition, a 220 'twink' shoudl take a 200 twink out much easier than a 207 twink so a 151-200 BS would have almost no impact on TL5 NW, no more so than the old level range did, except to make less effective and easier to kill twink killers at 200 as opposed to 207. It really would have been a win for NW to have a 151-200 BS range, people just too shortsighted to see it.

I think there still might be a chance to fix it, but I don't think these 'NW twink' arguments are the way to do it. It's pretty clear that if the goal is to promote Bs at all level ranges, that the 151-200 range MUST be part of that solution. The irony is that the most noise came from people that have TL5 NW twinks (or the gimp ones) that rallied to prevent it. PVPers indeed.

[Cyreidan]

No offense Cyr but you don't even do BS so ... why should anyone listen to you? Your opinion is biased to NW. If level ranges there 'screw it up', then the fix should be on the NW levels, not some fallacious argument on level segretations on BS.

It's irrelevant anyways ... any twink in the 160-170 range should be able to take a level 200 twink rather easily .... as so does a 220 'twink' so a 151-200 BS would have almost no impact on TL5 NW, no more so than the old level range did.

I'm did BS lately but well you know I'm not care that at all so you may true that

[Emergenzee]

Not in NW since even thats just BS it makes all make lvl 200 twinks and it will ruin tl5 wars(every war goes tl7), my opinion lvl 189 max.

I honestly feel that level 200 twinks are on a the same play field as GOOD tl5 twinks.

When you look at that level your pretty much capped on everything anyway the only difference is you get access to acouple more perks and some new loot.

[erozc]

Affraid never but that makes tl7 twinks log kill 200 twinks and end tl5 wars like lvl 207 do it allready but worst then.

It's irrelevant anyways ... many twinks in the 160-170 range should be able to compete vs a 200 twink. In fact that would make NW much more interesting .... moreso than trying to kill 207 twinks. In addition, a 220 'twink' shoudl take a 200 twink out much easier than a 207 twink so a 151-200 BS would have almost no impact on TL5 NW, no more so than the old level range did, except to make less effective and easier to kill twink killers at 200 as opposed to 207. It really would have been a win for NW to have a 151-200 BS range, people just too shortsighted to see it.

What was said here. There already are 207's. 200s will just be worse in doing the same thing, so it won't really matter. Though I wouldn't really oppose to some, slight, tightening of PvP ranges in the upper end but that's another discussion that's already been beaten to death so excuse me for saying it.

[Gunfytr]

10-29
30-60
61-100
101-150
151-200
201-220

Pls

bump

A 201 toon wont go to BS to get kills...it will got to get VPS.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

You got 7 VP. Leave the Battlestation?

TL5 is broke.

[Ceenah2]

175-214 is a seriously broken BS.

Make

10-29
30-60
61-100
101-150
151-200
201-220

It is still 6 BS range.

[fixyourself]

why do you guys want 1-29? I mean i can see 151-200 but 1-29? Also you guys know when you give input to FC and when they finally listen you guys cry even more? Cant we take the collector instance as a sign of be careful what you wish for? Just play the game make new twinks if you have to or want to.

[Khaldore]

I find it somewhat ironic that after the massive s**tstorm that followed Means' initial ideas to change the Battlestation ranges (see here), that some people here on the forums are now suggesting ranges virtually identical to what he proposed.

To recap, here's what Means posted in his Sept. 3rd FwM:

1-30
31-60
61-99
100-149
150-200
201-220

And here's Ceenah2's post (as an example):

10-29
30-60
61-100
101-150
151-200
201-220

Does anyone else see the irony?