Anti-debuff tools

[Avari]

So, are fixers really getting anti debuff tools (drain and GTH removers) in 18.0 or is someone just trying to get my blood presure up?

Where's the freaking consistency? Doctors in AO and healers in MMOs in general have as far as I know always been the profession with anti debuff tools.

Anyone able to confirm or deny this "rumor"?

[Kazeran]

Well idk about any new tools, but fixers do have the worm ICE perk line which gives 2 perks that do this :The effect of this Special is a self remove all ransack, deprive, nano shutdown, with 65s lockout


so if they do get new toys, say revamped worm ICE perk line, that removes all new drains, as well as GTH, i think we should have ours redone as well, i mean we already have the tools, why not just have them work like they should

P.S idk if fixers use that perkline but it is there nevertheless

[Mmba]

i haven't heard a whole lot more than you guys, but with some prior privelaged information, i very much highly doubt that fixers are getting a "GTH Remover".

if they are, i need to go on another very very long rant.

[Louderer789]

The choice for fixers is Spatial Displacement vs Worm ICE. Most fixers use SD because 45% protection against roots/snares is, statistically, more likely to help you than 45% drain resistance simply because only one profession uses drains (also the perk actions are better). And though powerful, BS is not exactly overflowing with traders.

Frankly, with traders having Silverback, YEEIYF, easy shot, and the nano shield, having a drain remover doesn't improve fixer vs trader chance a whole lot 1vs1.

Anyway according to the DB the new nano Fixer is getting ("Wake Up Call") removes DoTs (not precious c line, don't worry), GTH, stuns, UBT, and a few nano strains that auno doesn't recognize (yet?). Nevermind the fact that you can't cast nanos while stunned, GTHed, etc.

[Doctorgator]

should give docs something similiar but with a 10sec recharge or something along those lines so it isnt so viable in combat but can still be used

[Avari]

And though powerful, BS is not exactly overflowing with traders..

I'm sorry to strike down on that particular part, but it's never been a legitimate argument that "there's not many [insert whatever] around, so it's okay it's OP".

Have anyone cared to wonder what will happen the day traders are finally recognized for actually having on par PvP abilities with NT, bureaucrats, MPs, enforcers, soldiers and the like? Only in my worst nightmares have I considered the possibility of traders being as common as some of the aforementioned professions.

More on topic - I've been made aware of the Worm ICE perk line and a few other obscure parts of the fixer tool set, but it still doesn't change the picture of anti-debuff tools being a healer class thingy across MMOs. Fixers root, snare, DD, have anti-CC tools and NCU stuff - you'll be changing the entire fixer focus from offensive based to a mixture of offense/defense if they are to start looking after their debuffed team mates. It's always been a doctor priviledge to take care of survivability in team situations while others take care of the offensive stuff.

[XenonDe]

I haven't been around lately, but in the DB rip was a removal tool included. Found my old post in the fear&knockback thread. I think the chances are pretty good they'll get that.

For completeness, the immunity and removals too:

Experienced Survivor, fixer
Self, Level 100+ Requirement, 10 minutes duration
1000% Resistance against The new Fears (Line 883)

Wake Up Call, fixer
Single Target, 20m range, 0.01 cast time, 3 sec recharge, 70 nanocost
Removes completly:
- Doctor DOT line A
- Doctor DOT line B
- Nano-technician DOT line A
- Nano-technician DOT line B
- Agent DOT line
- Doctor Init debuffs
- Calms/Stuns
- GTH
- Line 883 The new Fears.
- Line 883 no idea why it's there a second time.

Tjernberg Soothing Adrenaline, doc
Single Target, 20m range, 0.01 cast time, 1 sec recharge, 70 nanocost
Removes completly:
- Line 883 The new Fears.

Totem of Safety Aura, keeper
Ticks every 20s for team, 21s duration, 20m range
1000% Resistance against The new Fears (Line 883)

[Nab2000]

New vaccine with 50% resist to drains + gth and 1 min duration?

[Kaylinne]

Fixers root, snare, DD

Please...

[Avari]

Please...

Do you deny having extensive support for MG/SMG weapons and the ability to use them? Thought so. If you want to discuss the amount of DD you do with aforementioned weapons then please go cry in the fixer forum.

The info XenonDe posted makes me want to cry. (It does look a little odd since fear removal is supposedly only given to doctors?)

This post talks about an "NCU cleanser" for fixers, so it does seem like the nano is meant for live. If fixers receive this it better be self only.

[Kaylinne]

Well you know, the amount of DD we *dont* do along with "crying" made some other profs enlighten us about being support prof.
Therefore why shouldnt we get some good "support" tools? Not like we are going to take over your primadona support role in teams ever.

If fixers receive this it better be self only.

Or what?

[wormx]

...Fixers buffs NCU - ....

Fixed

[Mmba]

no need for a catfight here, girls

i think the point was that doctors were the "support" type in that we remove the debuff, whereas fixers were the type to evade or resist that debuff altogether.

[Novaelis]

we should ask FC to make Tjernberg Soothing Adrenaline AOE and not "on target".

docs don't have fear protection, unless they stick to some keeper running his anti fear aura or have a fixer around to clear fear with Wake Up Call.
at this condition only a doc can heal someone.

this applies to BS, towers zergs, Elders hall (12 man), and probably more encounters in the future.

this request seems not overpowered and seems fair as we won't get a fear protection nano.

discuss

[Nab2000]

Fear isn't really that much of a problem, well maybe because people don't time it right, but.. The main issue with docs now is GTH and the seriously unbalanced unremovable stun procs. If some other profession gets a GTH remover that can be used on others, it's better then nothing, but I would like to have at least one chance to get rid of it myself. Crat stun procs could be reduced to something like a brawl stun with 15 sec lockout or so. What is in game now is just stupid.

[Novaelis]

Fear isn't really that much of a problem, well maybe because people don't time it right, but.. The main issue with docs now is GTH and the seriously unbalanced unremovable stun procs. If some other profession gets a GTH remover that can be used on others, it's better then nothing, but I would like to have at least one chance to get rid of it myself. Crat stun procs could be reduced to something like a brawl stun with 15 sec lockout or so. What is in game now is just stupid.

yes fixers can clear gth, FC should also add a GTH resistance for docs with deprive/ransack resistance nanoline, and/or add GTH to hostiles nanos removed by signet of apocalypse.