What Are We, Exactly? (Traders & Item Shop)

[Ciex]

This has been said over and over in every equal thread: They will not be usable for anything but twinking

For anything but PLAYING. Buy a portable 131 wrangle machine and POOOOOF every time you want to buff up you have 131 points of skill more so you can go NR1 any day or be just around 25 levels ahead (25*5) of other guys who didnt want to spend their money ...

New era is coming, era of paying customers who are players of 2nd category and I dont like it. I dont like it so much that it may be the day when i finally decide to give it up.

XP stims, even levels ... okay, but not buffs ...

[Demoder]

For anything but PLAYING. Buy a portable 131 wrangle machine and POOOOOF every time you want to buff up you have 131 points of skill more so you can go NR1 any day or be just around 25 levels ahead (25*5) of other guys who didnt want to spend their money ...

One of the patterns I see with the re-balancing, is that all buff nanos last for hours.
With that kind of buff duration, it would definitely be more viable to roll a froob trader, or hunt down some trader for that buff, so you can rebuff. Or pay real money for a non-combat buff cause you're rich and lazy. I don't see the problem with this. It doesn't add anything new; It's just for convenience. If you want to spend real money every time you want to buff up, go ahead.

[Ciex]

So froobs will be able to enter SL and AI content after balancing and wrangles will last hours? Those are some nice changes in fact. BTW this shop is told to be implemented within next patch. When balancing will come im not sure but if balancing forum is over 1 year old and so far we have only 4 or 5 documents with proposed changes than my guess would be around 2015.

[Demoder]

So froobs will be able to enter SL and AI content after balancing and wrangles will last hours? That are some nice changes in fact.

Please read.
The one who perked NR would buff up with buffs which last for hours.
If your buffs last for 2+ hours, it's not a huge inconvenience to run to RK, get wrangle, rebuff, and run back. Provided you can find a trader (your own froob alt?), it shouldn't take more than 5 mins to run back and forth. Definitely worth it for several hours in that setup.

So in the end, those IRL money would save you up to 5 mins.

[Ciex]

Professions like shades and keepers already have buffs that last 4 hours and in general they dont leave teams to go from sl to rka to buff up as it isnt guaranteed that you find this trader/mp or whatever unless you have your own. And what if this portable wrangles are usable inside battlestations? Am i supposed to have portable neutral traders of any BS range and just sign up dual logged? What if BS queue is to long and I get inside with only one toon? Will there be drain pets near spawn point so I can drain myself? How will duel look like; 1 opoonent uses his magic wrangle pill and buffs up while the other says “brb I need to find a trader/mp” or just uses lower ql buffs?

[Gatess]

I don't think anyone actually reads anything on this forum, they just come in, get an impression from skimming, then post something angry in every other thread and leave, never to return and see whether anyone might have replied to their post or not.

I love you Masta.

Really.

[Mastablasta]

Professions like shades and keepers already have buffs that last 4 hours and in general they dont leave teams to go from sl to rka to buff up as it isnt guaranteed that you find this trader/mp or whatever unless you have your own. And what if this portable wrangles are usable inside battlestations? Am i supposed to have portable neutral traders of any BS range and just sign up dual logged? What if BS queue is to long and I get inside with only one toon? Will there be drain pets near spawn point so I can drain myself? How will duel look like; 1 opoonent uses his magic wrangle pill and buffs up while the other says “brb I need to find a trader/mp” or just uses lower ql buffs?

Since it's only to be used for twinking and one of the primary suggestions for handling this as we discussed it the other day on IRC was that buff cans prevent you from fighting and wipe your NCU when you're done with them. So, if that's implemented you won't be using these to buff up your NR 1 toons, and it's easy enough to put a "not in BS" label on something as that already exists.

[Binarybits]

Ok and you think doctors will still be around after SFA is in pill form for 50pp a stack of 50? I was just talking about this in game the other day about how I remember being level 40ish just entering tir county and getting hit with 10+ team invites for totw. Now on alts I have yet to get team invite spam at all.

Only times I get team invite spam on copper nowadays is for an IC and SFA... TY for helping me feel less needed now more than ever.

At least traders can solo faster, and tradeskill. But cheers for taking a stand... and cheers to AO forum mods for not axing the discontent by closing the thread. It helps prove things are not one-way.

[Demoder]

Ok and you think doctors will still be around after SFA is in pill form for 50pp a stack of 50? I was just talking about this in game the other day about how I remember being level 40ish just entering tir county and getting hit with 10+ team invites for totw. Now on alts I have yet to get team invite spam at all.

Only times I get team invite spam on copper nowadays is for an IC and SFA... TY for helping me feel less needed now more than ever.

At least traders can solo faster, and tradeskill. But cheers for taking a stand... and cheers to AO forum mods for not axing the discontent by closing the thread. It helps prove things are not one-way.

... what?
So.. someone asking for IC/SFA to twink something is considered a team invite now?
Again, what?

Go read the earlier statements about "it will not be usable for anything but twinking".

Edit: Where did you get "50pp"from? Do you have inside information or something?

[Zeephonz]

We're not interested in these items being used in a combat situation in any fashion or form, and will be taking steps to prevent that before they go on sale in the store. =)

You're missing the whole point Kintaii (and so are a few others).

This isn't about whether or not a buff can is able to be used in combat or not.

This is about trivialising some of the defining features of various professions into nothing, packaging it up and slamming it in a can for sale.

A key part of this game, particularly twinking, is a process whereby a lot of planning must be made, and also ensuring that when you get to the point where you are about to make a major change, you have all the correct equipment and support professions ready for when you kick into gear. It is one of the most exciting and fulfilling points of the game when it all comes together... it's a team effort.

I can think of particular twinking scenarios that take a great deal of timing and coordination, such as buffing required to get a 6-slot belt on a 14 trader etc... it's damn exciting bringing that all together.

You are now removing the community approach to this game by making a single toon a one-stop shop for all their twinking needs.... a totally isolationist approach. Stop fracturing the community more than it is already.

But let's go back to the buff cans. If the server populations as a whole were a lot higher than they are, I daresay these items wouldn't have been considered. What you are doing is changing 9 years of profession defining differences, because of non-gameplaying related issues (low population).

I have issue with only 2 shop items... the buff cans and the selling of VP. The rest of the shop stuff looks good(ish).

[Dochollie]

Ok and you think doctors will still be around after SFA is in pill form for 50pp a stack of 50? I was just talking about this in game the other day about how I remember being level 40ish just entering tir county and getting hit with 10+ team invites for totw. Now on alts I have yet to get team invite spam at all.

Only times I get team invite spam on copper nowadays is for an IC and SFA... TY for helping me feel less needed now more than ever.

At least traders can solo faster, and tradeskill. But cheers for taking a stand... and cheers to AO forum mods for not axing the discontent by closing the thread. It helps prove things are not one-way.

honestly who is going to buy a IC/SFA buffcan when its so freaking easy to find a doc for those buffs i only see wrangles and comp nano buffs and probably behe to be the big buys.

But really buying IC and SFA in a can just is not needed at all lol and if they do i doubt it'll effect us as much as you are saying it will :P

[Tiralee]

This isn't about whether or not a buff can is able to be used in combat or not.

This is about trivialising some of the defining features of various professions into nothing, packaging it up and slamming it in a can for sale.

And that is exactly how I feel. Zeephonz said it far better than I probably could.

[Metafizis]

ITs not like traders are the only ones losing some of their uniqueness.

Everyone will be able to check both bank and GMS from wherever.

You can get an item that will meep you into grid. Already theres an item that sort of lets you bypass fixers for fgrid.

Wow really?

I knew things are going sour but this is just horrible.....

This is bad...

Please, devs, don't screw up the game like that.

Give enfos AS but don't do this, really.