now toon cant do anything

**nanobots** · Jan 18th, 2011, 16:58:29

what did u mess up now? my RL friend just made a acc to test out the game, and whats the first thing he sees about the game?? he cant do anything. cant walk cant sit cant press f10 cant do ANYTHING, im on skype whit him atm and have no idea what to do...

is this realy a good first impressein?

**Brofist** · Jan 18th, 2011, 17:01:50

He's getting the authentic experience.

**Conq** · Jan 18th, 2011, 17:03:06

My theory: the key bindings got messed up. After the latest patch the "Walk forward" key became unbind on ALL my toons (across multiple accounts). Had to manually rebind it to "W". However for me only the W-key was unbinded, not ALL the keys like your friends seems to have.

**nanobots** · Jan 18th, 2011, 17:03:08

there is another guy here to just standing there so guess his not the only one. . .

**nanobots** · Jan 18th, 2011, 17:12:50

yeah thats what im thinking to... tho he cant manual fix the key binding since he cant press f10...

**Frostrune** · Jan 18th, 2011, 18:03:05

Hi

Had a quick discussion on this, try the following....

1) What kind of OS is he running? Vista is, as we all know, keen on not always working the way we want it to. Make sure he runs the Anarchy application as Administrator

2) Delete the Prefs folder found in the Funcom/Anarchy Online folder, then run the game.

3) If he uses Vista or Windows 7, try moving the entire Funcom/Anarchy Online away from Program Files. Then follow the steps above.

Let us know how it works out.

**n3oheals** · Jan 18th, 2011, 20:59:28

Happends to me alot, its alt+shift changing your keyboard to Chinese or something. Just hit it a few times more to get it bakc to normal

**raw_fox** · Jan 19th, 2011, 08:24:37

Originally Posted by Brofist

He's getting the authentic experience.

ROFL ..
that made my day

seriously ... these kind of experience ... i mean, its kown since forever, why cant FC simple change the way, the game installs on Vista/7 ?!
messed keys ... oh well ... how can that happen again ?

**Ayria** · Jan 19th, 2011, 08:53:02

Microsoft, way bigger and way better funded, can't fix issues with Windows. What makes you think FC can just whip up some patch that bypasses Windows BS and works great?

**Mireiawen** · Jan 19th, 2011, 09:31:13

Originally Posted by Ayria

Microsoft, way bigger and way better funded, can't fix issues with Windows. What makes you think FC can just whip up some patch that bypasses Windows BS and works great?

Well, FC could change prefs to be in user data directory instead under the installation, which should fix most problems with AO. Then it would just be left to patching, and you would need to do it as super user, I guess patcher could be set to ask for admin rights if it does not have? I'm still mostly stuck with WinXP (because it works) so not sure what is really possible for software to do...

**Ayria** · Jan 19th, 2011, 10:01:39

Well I've never really had issues, even though I use Vista, but then I'm also used to using a Games folder, rather then Program Files, from goodness knows how long ago when it was just what I was told to do.

Yes Vista has issues, it's a rather stupidly put together OS, but the issues it does have, such as not liking AO in Program Files, isn't really AOs fault as Windows should allow program files to be installed in the folder they name program files and expect them to work.

Sure FC could change some things, but who's to say that wont cause more/new issues? Knowing Vista, the possibility is there.

**Honorbound** · Jan 19th, 2011, 10:03:13

Originally Posted by Mireiawen

Well, FC could change prefs to be in user data directory instead under the installation, which should fix most problems with AO. Then it would just be left to patching, and you would need to do it as super user, I guess patcher could be set to ask for admin rights if it does not have? I'm still mostly stuck with WinXP (because it works) so not sure what is really possible for software to do...

The patcher (or is it the OS, detecting that it's some kind of installer, no idea?) already does ask for elevated permissions on Win 7, so it should work even when installed inside "Program Files". No idea why it doesn't, for some people.
I have, however, noticed some weird things happening when you mess with UAC. For some applications, even when you are logged in with admin priviledges, you still get the elevated permissions needed popup, but only when you have UAC turned on. If you have turned it off, such apps will be silently launched in restricted mode without you ever knowing that they would require elevated permissions, thus they won't function properly. You also won't be able to run anything with admin priviledges manually, even when logged on as admin.

Also, most recent patchers/installers (and in some cases, the installed applications themselves) are made "UAC-aware", meaning that if they detect that they are running on a non-prviledged OS account, they will trigger UACs "elevated permission" function which prompts the user for the admin password to be able to spawn an instance of themselves running under admin priviledges.

**Warhead** · Jan 19th, 2011, 10:50:45

Originally Posted by Ayria

Yes Vista has issues, it's a rather stupidly put together OS, but the issues it does have, such as not liking AO in Program Files, isn't really AOs fault as Windows should allow program files to be installed in the folder they name program files and expect them to work.

Thats a false assumption. The Guidelines as to where software should store its data that is being altered during usage (and its only about this) have been laid out by Microsoft long before the release of Vista or 7. Its Funcoms fault. Other companies have adapted to the folder virtualization many years ago...

**raw_fox** · Jan 19th, 2011, 10:55:03

Originally Posted by Ayria

Microsoft, way bigger and way better funded, can't fix issues with Windows. What makes you think FC can just whip up some patch that bypasses Windows BS and works great?

its not a windows issue, its just as the poster before said, a permission setup.
its a plain security thingy.

these issues make me think that AO is 1. not microsoft certified and 2. not entierly written on MS programming guidelines.

On the other hand, we can be happy, that there is movement in the AO development you want to tell that your friend too :P

**Omutb** · Jan 19th, 2011, 10:59:36

Originally Posted by Warhead

Thats a false assumption. The Guidelines as to where software should store its data that is being altered during usage (and its only about this) have been laid out by Microsoft long before the release of Vista or 7. Its Funcoms fault. Other companies have adapted to the folder virtualization many years ago...

This.

Long before Vista came out there were technotes and information about "making your legacy application Vista compatible".

I know, I read them during the beta phase.

And tbh, the simplest solution is to fix the installer so it doesnt let you install in Program Files in the first place.

Tbh, I like having apps that can just be moved as a complete folder, all this using AppData to store settings is damned annoying.

**Ayria** · Jan 19th, 2011, 11:52:51

Originally Posted by raw_fox

its a plain security thingy.

Who's?

Mine? Someone gona steal my password cause a game is in Program Files?

I'm failing to see where the security thingy is in this situation.

As for the other stuff, okay, I didn't know that kinda stuff. Knowledge learned. I've always been told to install into a Games folder anyway, just figured it was for organization not that there was some evil involved if you install into Program Files.

**raw_fox** · Jan 19th, 2011, 13:04:46

Originally Posted by omutb

this.
Tbh, i like having apps that can just be moved as a complete folder, all this using appdata to store settings is damned annoying.

qft ^^

**Mastablasta** · Jan 19th, 2011, 13:12:52

Originally Posted by Ayria

Who's?

Mine? Someone gona steal my password cause a game is in Program Files?

I'm failing to see where the security thingy is in this situation.

As for the other stuff, okay, I didn't know that kinda stuff. Knowledge learned. I've always been told to install into a Games folder anyway, just figured it was for organization not that there was some evil involved if you install into Program Files.

No, program files is protected to protect you and your apps from infestation. There's no "evil" involved. It's programs that do not have permission to write in this folder, to protect the system from problems.

**raw_fox** · Jan 19th, 2011, 13:37:52

Originally Posted by Ayria

Who's?

Mine? Someone gona steal my password cause a game is in Program Files?

I'm failing to see where the security thingy is in this situation.

As for the other stuff, okay, I didn't know that kinda stuff. Knowledge learned. I've always been told to install into a Games folder anyway, just figured it was for organization not that there was some evil involved if you install into Program Files.

Im not a windows man and cannot explain it in detail, but the principle is, to use every program with user rights only instead of godmode administrator rights.

Thats because if you get 3rd-party soft like virus or trojans, they would also have admin rights on your computa and can i.e. kill your files.
By using user permissions, every incoming hostile stuff can only do, what users can do, it is not possible then, to manipulate or destroy system files.

**Omutb** · Jan 19th, 2011, 15:17:25

Originally Posted by raw_fox

Im not a windows man and cannot explain it in detail, but the principle is, to use every program with user rights only instead of godmode administrator rights.

Exactly.

UAC is meant to annoy you so that you stop using a user with administrator rights and do what you should, which means using a standard user and only doing administration things when required.

Mac OS X and Linux X Windows systems do this as well.

Linux consoles require you to do sudo, su or have the right flag set on the executable object.

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