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Old Oct 11th, 2006, 13:11:45   #1
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/ Attention ppl, here's my guide, use at will

For my "new" final setup there was a request of how I did it. Since New symbs from my earlyer setup includes the 250 support brain (set in first) and the 300 infantry chest (set in almost last). As to the question of "does it make a likking differece?" and "why reperk all that again?", well, my only comment is, as good friend once told me:

It's all about the twinking!

I would like to start by saying that in all my setups, there was room for slack. Just by using ql 250-260 imps, implies that this can be done in highly different manners. Even with my last ql 300 chest symb, I did not have to train last AI primary genome, for 14 extra strengt/stamina. Therefore, one might manage to get on the same setup without the same amount of phats from pande, as I aquired.

So anyway, I would like to start out by refering to my previous guide HERE. And I will not repeat any of the stuff there.

Implants I used where almost the same as in my previous twinking: IMPS.

Same goes for my PERKS. This time around however, I had to reperk from one setup to another.

It helps somewhat to:
1) have ql 295+ Combined Mercenaries armor ready for the different twinking weapons
2) having a MP to buff CM to get on some of the different stuff (like Gemini's Double Band of Linked Information and Aim of Libra demanding 1500 in SensoryImprovement)
3) have all other profs in easy access for the relevant buffs (base abilities and treatment) as for example Aim of Libra demands 1k in intel).
4) have the best ranged weapon buffs available, as for the twinking of the other symbs, intel/psy/sense (or a combo) I used pistols.
5) to have ql 300 HQ advantages adding 9 to all abilities
6) 23 AI lvls, as that makes hotswapping with armor faster
7) having an org that is willing to change org contracts several times, back and forth, just for ones amusement (thx VG!)

The order of how I put in the symbs in my setup is this:
1) Head symb
2) Eye symb
3) Most rest symbs
4) Left hand symb
5) Right arm symb
6) Chest symb
7) Thigh symb
8) Waist symb as last one
Reason for this is simple. Head adds to central abilities and treatment. Chest, thigh and waist is used a lot for twinking on ql 300 symbs, hence I waited as long as possible with them.

To cut to the point, getting on a ql 250 support brain I had to twink on the Mystery of Pisces. 1500 in Dimach on an adv is not really pain, but no walk in the park either.
1) Here are my PERKS => 110
2) Additional I had to get org contracts ql 240 => can't remember
3) My armor/ utility setups is HERE => 233
4) Personal tower adding to Dimach => 22
5) Base Dimach buff (20) and all buffs adding to Intel/Psy/Sense (actually I always get all types of buffs before i get any symbs on => 25 (or so)
6) Ql 283 head implant adding to Dimach => 81
7) Better/ other imps/symbs => can't remember but Chest Infantry Symb adds some and i think one more.. u figure it out.
8) Max base Dimach ofc => can't remember
On a sidenote, don't NEVER EVER rightclick any of the utility stuff, as that will surely get your Mystery of Pisces off. Also, I would recommend putting the Mystery of Pisces in utillity slot 1 (reason comes later). Btw, there was some slack, I think I ended up with 1513 in Dimach.
That should be it.

After getting on that, there is the small challenge of getting on 2 Sword of Dusk.
1) Used this setup => 464 + trickle => prob total 485 (or so)
2) Normal buff for mele energy (20) + all base buffs => 25 (or so)
3) Max Umbral => 153
4) Ring of Plausibility => 2
5) 10 perks in AI heavy infantry => 100
6) Base skill from trickle => not sure
7) No towers or anything. Had to use 41 IP points, so I did not bother with better setup for this.

Now to getting on the 250 brain itself. I used the following:
1) Clothes/ utility/ implants SETUP. Note that implants where all based on buffing stats, and not treatment. => Agility 262 Intelligence 305 Sense 332
2) All perks as listed over, but at this point I started reperking off the AI mele energy to atrox primay => Agility 125 Intelligence 110 Sense 70
3) All base abilities buffs + treatment buffs from docs. (Did not need Treatment transfer, as it turned out at this point I had more than sufficient treatment to get a ql 250 symbiant on.) => Agility 37 Intelligence 32 Sense 27
4) The Ring of Plausibility => Agility 20 Intelligence 20 Sense 20
5) Org HQ => Agility 9 Intelligence 9 Sense 9
6) Org contracts adding => Sense 12
7) For emergency, one can use the Extruder Nutrition Bar for adding 2 to all abilities (although it tastes like cardboard).
8) Base skills => Agility 780 Intelligence 600 Sense 600
On the brain part, I did not HAVE to use any org contracts, and neither any hard to get buffs like Improved Cut Red Tape (just tonns of "hard" to get phats). Although my org had contracts ql 125(?) for sense, it made it a bit easier.

PPS! If there are some mistakes, it should be because it's been a longer process where my memory of what I used when, is a bit blurred... and plax xcuse ma englisj, as I'm no native to that language.
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Old Oct 11th, 2006, 13:12:47   #2
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OK, so head symb in, and it helps a lot in treatment and trickle for later insertment of symbs. Now on to the g00d stuff. For an omni, it's "rather" easy to get on the ql 300 chest symb, as we have the advantage of str/stam sleves.

However, I would very much belive that clan trox adv also should be able to insert the same symb, as:
1) my imps are fairly gimp (xept for leg that is ok, but could do better)
2) I did not use the last AI primary genome perk
3) I was way over in agility => implying that I could have focused on agility clothes and rather use str/stam guns and/or rather put in a stamina waist implan instead of the agility based one.
4) I could have used 4 points in Combat Knowledge but did not have to
5) I'm not using "The Feline Grace" buff adding 25 to agility
6) I'm not using the best org contract
(as always, this is not the only way, it's just how I did it).

Now to getting on the 300 chest itself. I used the following:
1) setup Agility 437 Strength 315 Stamina 285 Treatment 462
2) Missing "Ring of Plausibility" from my setup adding 20 to agility and doing 5 in trickle to treatment
3) Org HQ => Agility 9 Strengt 9 Stamina 9
4) Org contracts adding => Agility 12 Stamina 9 (only)
5) Base abilities buffs; Dance of the Dervish (agility 4) General base buff (all abi. 12) Extruder Bar (all abi. 2) Essence of Behemoth (str/stam 27) Iron Circle (str/stam 20)
6) Treatment "buffs": Superior First Aid (80) Treatment Expertise (20) Treatment Transfer (60) Implant Clinic (100)
7) Base abilities Agility 780 Strengt 912 Stamina 912 (Treatment not sure what is is, but it's not a bigge, with all trickle and so on)
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Old Oct 11th, 2006, 13:13:47   #3
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Here is the listing of setup (in case the links should ever stop working).

Equipment for installing the ql 250 Support Brain

Weapons
Hud 1 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Hud 2 Rat Catcher Goggles (QL100)
Hud 3 Aim of Libra (QL250)
Utils 1 Mystery of Pisces (QL250)
Utils 2 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Utils 3 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Right hand Sword of Dusk (QL200)
Belt Hadrulf's Viral Belt Component Platform (QL300)
Left hand Sword of Dusk (QL200)
Deck 1 Intuitive Memory of the Aquarius (QL250)
Deck 2 Cancer's Time-Saving Memory (QL250)
Deck 3 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 4 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 5 Yutto's Modified NCU (QL210)
Deck 6 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)

Clothing
Neck Experimental Cyborg Token Board (QL200)
Head Fly Catcher's Specs (QL150)
Back Burden of Competence (QL300)
Right shoulder Personalized Basic Robot Brain (QL200)
Body Bellum Badonis Body Armor (QL250)
Left shoulder Virral Triumvirate Egg (QL190)
Right arm Nova Dillon Armor Sleeves (QL200)
Hands Mediative Gloves of the Aquarius (QL250)
Left arm Nova Dillon Armor Sleeves (QL200)
Right wrist Gemini's Double Band of Linked Information (QL250)
Legs Nova Dillon Armor Pants (QL200)
Left wrist Bracer of Killing Intent (QL300)
Right finger (empty)
Feet Nova Dillon Armor Boots (QL200)
Left finger Ring of Divine Teardrops (QL289)

Implants
Eye Eye Implant: Intelligence, Bright (QL254)
Head (empty)
Ear Ear Implant: Intelligence, Faded (QL254)
Right arm Right-Arm Implant: Strength, Shiny (QL250)
Body Chest Implant: Sense, Shiny (QL254)
Left arm Cognizant Left Arm Symbiant, Infantry Unit Aban (QL270)
Right wrist (empty)
Waist Waist Implant: Sense, Bright (QL254)
Left wrist (empty)
Right hand Right-Hand Implant: Treatment, Faded (QL250)
Legs Leg Implant: Agility, Shiny (QL254)
Left hand (empty)
Feet Feet Implant: Agility, Bright (QL254)



Equipment for installing the ql 300 Infantry Chest Symbiant

Hud 1 The Key to Lord Mordeth's Sanctuary (QL1)
Hud 2 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Hud 3 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Utils 1 Mystery of Pisces (QL250)
Utils 2 Treatment Library (QL200)
Utils 3 Spiritech Medical Analyzer (QL250)
Right hand Master G-Staff (QL200)
Belt Hadrulf's Viral Belt Component Platform (QL300)
Left hand (empty)
Deck 1 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 2 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 3 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 4 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)
Deck 5 Yutto's Modified NCU (QL240)
Deck 6 Problem Seeking Device (QL100)

Clothing
Neck Experimental Cyborg Token Board (QL200)
Head Nova Dillon Armor Helmet (QL200)
Back Burden of Competence (QL300)
Right shoulder Thin Shoulder Pad of Cama Thar (QL175)
Body Body of the Servants of Eight (QL200)
Left shoulder Thin Shoulder Pad of Cama Thar (QL175)
Right arm Frederickson Micro-kinetic Sleeves (QL200)
Hands Lamnidae Gloves (QL300)
Left arm Frederickson's Kinetic Sleeves (QL200)
Right wrist Gemini's Double Band of Linked Information (QL250)
Legs Nova Dillon Armor Pants (QL200)
Left wrist Anything (QL200)
Right finger Eye of the Evening Star (QL250)
Feet Nova Dillon Armor Boots (QL200)
Left finger (empty)

Implants
Eye Vital Ocular Symbiant, Support Unit Aban (QL260)
Head Excited Brain Symbiant, Support Unit Aban (QL250)
Ear Effective Ear Symbiant, Support Unit Aban (QL240)
Right arm Intelligent Right Arm Symbiant, Infantry Unit Aban (QL300)
Body (empty)
Left arm Left-Arm Implant: Strength, Bright (QL254)
Right wrist (empty)
Waist Waist Implant: Sense, Bright (QL259)
Left wrist (empty)
Right hand Vital Right Hand Symbiant, Infantry Unit Aban (QL260)
Legs Leg Implant: Agility, Shiny (QL280)
Left hand (empty)
Feet Feet Implant: Agility, Bright (QL254)

Perks
Shadowstalker Level 6
Mountaineer Level 5
Enhance DNA Level 10
First Aid Level 4
Freak Strength Level 3
Genius Level 3
Atrox Primary Genome Level 9
Atrox Secondary Genome Level 10
Acrobat Level 4
Alien Technology Expertise Level 3

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* uses SL beacon *
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Old Oct 11th, 2006, 13:28:47   #4
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hehe i cant wait for u to post your whole twink proces.
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Old Nov 29th, 2006, 11:05:04   #5
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Bump for finishing my final guide.

/me l00ks as someone else to do next one
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Old Nov 29th, 2006, 11:33:43   #6
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Old Nov 29th, 2006, 18:05:12   #7
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great work niles i will use this if i ever hit 220 on my trox advy. tyvm m8
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Old Nov 30th, 2006, 15:35:04   #8
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Bump for you finishing the guide;p
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Old Dec 2nd, 2006, 13:49:00   #9
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omg nice work buddy-let me ask u this how many years it takes to get all those pande stuff
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Old Dec 4th, 2006, 23:34:08   #10
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i wanna try to put QL 260 support head on..u think is possible?
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Old Dec 5th, 2006, 14:55:02   #11
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Quote:
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omg nice work buddy-let me ask u this how many years it takes to get all those pande stuff
Does it matter how long I took? Actually I have been real fortunate that loads of my stuff have been rather cheap. For me, those raids and creation of my char have been a huge part of the fun in AO.

Question is, are you willing to camp it to do the same?

Btw, Ceyshel, is that link something to lure ppl over to some interest page that donates u some creds? Or is it just a sharing of interest page to others? Anyway, rather unsmart way of doing it if you ask me.

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i wanna try to put QL 260 support head on..u think is possible?
I would not try it.. be my guest, I hope u succseed.
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Old Dec 5th, 2006, 15:12:19   #12
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i wont bother with a twink guide because it wont be anything great,270-280 symbs with some ql 300 imps,at first i planned ql 300 symbs in right/left arm and a ql 300 leg,i gave up because i wasnt willing to camp for a burden :>
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Old Dec 18th, 2006, 09:57:28   #13
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With all of the base abilities advantages of the new LE "perks" this will become a lot easier (espesially with the 70 to stamina....).

Strength 20
Stamina 70
Agility 60
Intelligence 10
Sense 25
Psychic 20

I'm still glad I have my 1½ mill IP pool for whatever LE brings of certain challenges. Twinking trox adv just got a fr00b nerfbat... Also with all the new adds to nano skills, there is almost no need for twinking the head symbiant on.

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Old Dec 21st, 2006, 10:30:32   #14
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wow how u get that much ip left bro im have 0 ip im 220 trox as well
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Old Dec 21st, 2006, 15:00:28   #15
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1) reset adventuring (got about 750 there now)
2) brawl at minimum for euipping weapons with full AI armor (I have max dimach, and maxing brawl would eat a lot of IP, and it's nothing I chose to do.)
3) reset MC
4) first aid far from max
6) reset all ip I used on guns and used all buffs and some ql 200 imps for euipping the guns for sense/inte/psy
7) reset vehicle air
8) reset breaking and entering (had it way up there to get into SL chest for best adv nanos and the evades armor)
9) oh, full CC will help u save IP on stupid issues when twinking (like the 2he for agility staff and the above mentioned guns)
10) do not have evade range(?) maxed, actually quite low..
11) runspeed far from maxed, 2,6k with bird (+ 100 in run) more that does it for me
12) prob reset other stuff also, can't really remember, but I still have like 15 reset points left

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Old Mar 16th, 2007, 16:42:56   #16
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Ty niles for this brilliant guide and youre other post.
It has helped me alot and made it quite simple.
I now got almost exactly the same symbs as you got so now its just the PR that remains and luckily its only 2hour now
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Old Mar 25th, 2007, 12:23:24   #17
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Did 300 chest as clan. Didnt try 250 Head for the simple reason i dont really need the extra nanos. And it was gonna require a quite bit of farming items in order to get the items needed.

But 300 chest is surely doable without kinetic sleeves. (I had 40 stamina unresearched, hence its alot easier if your fully researched)
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Old Mar 29th, 2007, 20:58:13   #18
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I finally finished my setup, your guide helped me a lot, many thanks.
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U can see here what i succeded, i think that 300 eye is doable too, but with 300 HQ that add 9, org contract adding 20, and ~300 head adding 29 sense and treatment. ( that means that eye have to be put on 1st). I had Vital head on, adding 27 sense and 254 HQ that added 8 and i missed 3 pts. Rest of them are max that can be done.
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Old Mar 30th, 2007, 13:00:15   #19
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Grats and impressive!

How much did LE help you with this? And I assume you used only ql 300 implants for twinking?

Btw, I'm not doing it again.. hehe, but good to see others picking up the bat.
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Nilbit 220/30/70 /s - parked gimptast
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Old Mar 30th, 2007, 19:32:11   #20
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i had all LE lvls for abilities, all twinking items ingame at highest lvl (300 computing rings etc), and 300 implants, ofc. And true..i wouldnt do this again
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